MI MI - Adrienne Quintal, 47, called for help, foul play possible, Honor, Benzie Co., 17 Oct 2019

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  1. indicolite22

    indicolite22 Well-Known Member

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    Her sister said that she also had a gun back when she was married.
     
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  2. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    Adrienne Quintal has now been missing for a month. Where are you, Ada?
     
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  3. indicolite22

    indicolite22 Well-Known Member

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    BBM. I wonder if she took any additional ammo with her to the roof. It wouldn't make sense to only bring an empty gun. How/why did the gun end up on the ground? If she had more ammo, she would not have tossed it away, but reloaded. Why would she leave the phone behind?
     
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  4. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    Well, she was an avid hunter and my point was that people stalk others...for guns. Even if she had no guns, someone might have thought she did. I am not a huge fan of car tire analysis unless the conditions are just right (there had already been two cars in and out of that area recently). If the BF's car came back, though, it would not reveal "stranger" tracks since he was already there and tracks would be expected.

    She called three people (because she was scared?) and spent nearly 5 minutes on the call with Family Friend, starting out with "I think I saw a cougar" and proceeding to (oddly placed) shots fired through windows and ceiling, then she takes her boots, phone and gun and climbs out onto the roof. She had to have been in the main area while firing most of those shots (did the Family Friend hear all of the shots fired? Sounds like she did).

    Sounds like she fled upstairs, maybe firing through the floor - hence the bullet in the ceiling? She must have thought she heard something downstairs.

    If Ada had a reason to be scared, already, then panicking like this while in the middle of the dark woods isn't so strange. If she was using drugs, I predict it would be meth, due to the parallels between typical meth psychosis and paranoid psychosis. Since no drugs or paraphernalia was found, I think that's unlikely (but not impossible as so many meth users keep their stash on their persons when actively using).

    The attack on her and BF in July is very concerning. Surely the police were notified? And someone must be in trouble over it?
     
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    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    Leaving the phone behind is the main reason that my theory is some kind of abduction. Someone orders her to toss the gun down and then orders her off the roof, is in control of the situation.

    Otherwise, to go from being on the phone (and using it frequently) to leaving it on the roof is really concerning. At this point, I guess anything is possible but she was relatively coherent less than an hour before she disappeared, so I don't think she ran off into the woods on a dark night without her phone. Dogs would not do much if Ada's scent was in and around the cabin, she had been in and out of her own car, it would be hard for a dog to unwind all that. A perpetrator would not want her to take the phone along.

    If she were flagrantly psychotic, she could have hallucinated a reason to run off without her phone into the woods, but at her age, such an event would (IMO) be unlikely (although if drugs are involved, I guess all bets are off).

    I wonder where she kept her extra ammo.
     
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  6. indicolite22

    indicolite22 Well-Known Member

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    Would that someone have known that she phoned for help and that the police could arrive at any minute?

    Why would she go to the roof when she was more protected inside? If there was a ladder leading to the roof anyone could easily reach her.

    Why would she leave the cabin lights on?
     
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    Random musings:

    • I’m highly suspicious of the boyfriend. I haven’t heard a good explanation for why he left or why he didn’t go see her family until Saturday. Was he waiting for some signs of a physical argument to heal up? Why has he not spoken to her SON?
    • What led to the altercation she and her bf were involved in some months back?
    • has harm or death come to any of bf’s former partners/girlfriends?
    • any chance he made some kind of food or drink for her before leaving (with hallucinogenic properties)?
    • does the bf have any ties to “thugs” capable of abductions?

    • Does the ex-husband pay alimony?

    • were there any arguments within the family about what does and does not happen with this cabin?

    I would lean toward thinking some kind of mental break/or drug induced hallucination, but it seems that there are some questions and negative behaviors surrounding the bf.
     
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    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    Everything about what happened speaks of hastiness. Also, when people are scared, it's really common to turn on all the lights (which shows she wasn't thinking clearly if she thought there was a human threat outside). If it was a bear or cougar, yeah, turn on all the lights (cougar seems super unlikely, no mention of bear).

    It sounds like the roof and the ladder were frequently used as a "backdoor" and terrace exit from the bedroom. So again not a safe plan unless one had enough ammo to shoot whoever was coming up the ladder. None of this sounds like a thoughtful plan (some people have clear plans about where to hide/shoot from when in each of their homes). She would have been safer hiding in her upstairs bedroom and shooting anyone who came into it (rather than shooting blindly into the yard). She shot her own car, right?

    Why was she awake so late, I wonder. If people really were coming after her in the middle of the night, what caused her to suspect that was about to happen? If she started out with mentioning a cougar and then changed to mentioning 2 men (and then shot at them, but police can't find evidence of them being there), it sounds like she was generally fearful and anxious that night. It's possible that a car came into the yard and no trace was found of course. But she apparently doesn't mention seeing headlights coming down the secluded driveway. Could two men have come through the woods? With sniffer dogs trained to follow the scent of the missing person, there might not have been any immediate evidence.
     
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    I am completely befuddled on this one.
     
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    Is this a possible scenario.... she’s home, think she sees something, locks all of her doors and is inside with her gun. Someone sneaks up the ladder and comes into the house that way. There is a struggle and her gun goes off and shoots the ceiling. The struggle continues and she fires it again right by their face, it misses and goes through the window but when this happens she gets away and now she is thinking she shot them in the face. She runs upstairs trying to escape that way, person follows her and gets her gun and throws it off the roof. Then the person orders her down the ladder with their gun. And that’s it, they disappear, House is still locked, only her gun fired shots. Problem with this is the five minute phone call and I’m sure other things I can’t think of right now.
     
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    I have some of the very same thoughts and concerns. Until we know more about Lundy and/or associates, the summer 2019 altercation during which Ada (and Lundy?) were injured, and whether or not Lundy or the alleged "thugs" are somehow involved in Ada's disappearance, I doubt we'll get anywhere in our sleuthing quests.
     
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    JMO
    To me, I’m imagining Adrienne as somewho enjoys the outdoors, comfortable carrying a gun and using it. Intelligent, perhaps not easily panicked? Seeing the cougar earlier, heard noises, she went to the highest elevation to scan the surroundings.
    I’m thinking she has been on the roof many times before looking at stars and observing wildlife.
     
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    A good dog would be able to get a good scent at the cabin and imo would be able to detect whether Ada got in a car and direction of travel. There have been documented cases that a dog have tracked a passenger in a car for many miles on a scent that is days old. IMHO the only thing that would foul a dog would be too many cops tromping around and contaminating the scent so that a dog couldn't get on a good scent to start with.
     
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    Ada's sister did say that she had more ammo and that makes it hard to understand why she would leave the inside of the camp where she had cover and more ammo. There appears to be evidence that the doors were still locked and hadn't been breached. The evidence suggests that she was not under fire, she had emptied her weapon inside the camp and then left the camp, no shots were fired outside.
     
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    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    Cougar | National Geographic

    ...Cougars like to prey on deer, though they also eat smaller animals such as coyotes, porcupines, and raccoons. They usually hunt at night or during the gloaming hours of dawn and dusk. These cats employ a blend of stealth and power, stalking their prey until an opportunity arrives to pounce, then going for the back of the neck with a fatal bite. They will hide large carcasses and feed on them for several days...

    Cougars require a lot of room—only a few cats can survive in a 30-square-mile range. They are solitary and shy animals, seldom seen by humans. While they do occasionally attack people—usually children or solitary adults—statistics show that, on average, there are only four attacks and one human fatality each year in all of the U.S. and Canada...

    Could Adrienne actually have seen a cougar and climbed on the roof to escape it?
     
  16. indicolite22

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    A cougar would not have broken into the cabin. She would have been safe in there.
     
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    BBM. Do we know for certain that no shots were fired from the roof?
     
  18. indicolite22

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    If she suspected that she was being attacked by two armed men, she would have been more of a target on the roof than inside. Or was there a spot on the roof that wasn't visible from the ground and she went to hide there?
     
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    Maybe she is a night owl.
    She was going to spend at least a few more nights alone at the cabin. Why would she be more fearful that night as opposed to other nights? Why couldn't she have left with the bf, if she had anxiety about being alone there?
    Someone with a nefarious plan could have turned off the headlights on approach.
     
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    This is pretty much how I’m thinking right now too. I can’t help wondering if bf was involved in some bad stuff and with some bad people. What was this attack/altercation about this summer and why didn’t Ada go back to Southfield with bf? Why stay alone at the cabin? Were the same people involved with the altercation involved with Ada’s disappearance?
     
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