NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 8

[laytonian]

I don't want to sound rude but maybe the family needs to be a little more assertive. It is their son, why aren't they demanding answers?

If Rolf didn't recognize the person in the video, I doubt he thought the address of the store was important.

 

[RubyRed]

Why drive further south, to go north and west from St George? (Yeah, I know - there's that secret band of drivers out there who'll ferry strangers around the country for free, "just for the company"....but if he used someone like that, it could explain why he was never heard from again.)



I can't imagine him doing farm work. If he liked labor, he'd have stuck with construction or FedEx.

But there's not much else up there. A few small motels in small towns, a few small restaurants. Migrants have most of the farmwork. (In other worse, worse pay than he'd ever imagined before in any previous job except maybe window-washing.)

Ever driven past the northern city limits of Sacramento? Farms, about the same as you see in Southern Arizona.

I check the northern california cases just to keep things going here, but I still believe Steven will be found in/near SCA. The theories that he left, are too convoluted.

That is why I have always felt that the connection to SCA is so important. What ever led him there someone or something, is the reason he is gone.

 

[RubyRed]

If Rolf didn't recognize the person in the video, I doubt he thought the address of the store was important.

I thought it was because of poor quality.? Wouldn't you still want to know the location? What if ?

 

[Fairy1]

If Rolf didn't recognize the person in the video, I doubt he thought the address of the store was important.

He didn't even recognize himself! For crying out loud. If these possible sighting are anywhere near where his car was found, wouldn't it be worth looking into further?

 

[Fairy1]

Why drive further south, to go north and west from St George? (Yeah, I know - there's that secret band of drivers out there who'll ferry strangers around the country for free, "just for the company"....but if he used someone like that, it could explain why he was never heard from again.)

Why drive all over the state of Utah with no particular place to go? Who knows why people do the things they do? Particularly when they go missing?

I can't imagine him doing farm work. If he liked labor, he'd have stuck with construction or FedEx.

But there's not much else up there. A few small motels in small towns, a few small restaurants. Migrants have most of the farmwork. (In other worse, worse pay than he'd ever imagined before in any previous job except maybe window-washing.)

The remains they found were of a white male. I doubt very much he was a migrant worker in the area.

Ever driven past the northern city limits of Sacramento? Farms, about the same as you see in Southern Arizona.

Yes, I have. My theory is that the guy whose remains were found there was not FROM there.

I check the northern california cases just to keep things going here, but I still believe Steven will be found in/near SCA. The theories that he left, are too convoluted.

Have you looked at all the white guys missing from that area recently? Surely LE has. Isn't it possible this person was transported to that spot from elsewhere?

 

[laytonian]

That is why I have always felt that the connection to SCA is so important. What ever led him there someone or something, is the reason he is gone.

Unless he "just went there"......

If you're someone who just drives around, you could end up anywhere

I think we'd think it odd no matter where his car was found, if it was miles from his home.

 

[laytonian]

Have you looked at all the white guys missing from that area recently? Surely LE has. Isn't it possible this person was transported to that spot from elsewhere?

Whenever I go to namus.com and search for remains found since Dec 13th, "white" is the race I enter. It then asks me "Hispanic" or "other".

We have to remember that the remains found at Beer Can Beach were in an area frequented by drug users, drunk partiers, and all kinds of lowlifes. It's possible the person was killed right there.

 

[laytonian]

He didn't even recognize himself! For crying out loud. If these possible sighting are anywhere near where his car was found, wouldn't it be worth looking into further?

What else is there to investigate, though? I know what you're saying. But there was a tip that someone thought he might have been at one of those stores, and the person on the video wasn't recognized as Steven, by his father.

I actually didn't understand the part about Rolf not identifying "himself"....I think Naegle was actually referring to Steven, and not Rolf.
Why would they show Rolf video of himself....and if they did, why wouldn't he know where he was????

I think that's why she suggested we contact LE...which I just tried to do (again). We'll see.

 

[Fairy1]

Whenever I go to namus.com and search for remains found since Dec 13th, "white" is the race I enter. It then asks me "Hispanic" or "other".

We have to remember that the remains found at Beer Can Beach were in an area frequented by drug users, drunk partiers, and all kinds of lowlifes. It's possible the person was killed right there.

I'm not talking about remains - I'm referring to missing persons. Like Steven. The fact that the area where the remains were found is frequented by druggies means nothing to me. The person or people who murdered this person may very well be familiar with the area, but that doesn't necessarily mean the victim was.

For the record, I don't believe this person is Steven. But if we're going to think outside of the box, let's really get outside of the box!

 

[RubyRed]

Unless he "just went there"......

If you're someone who just drives around, you could end up anywhere

I think we'd think it odd no matter where his car was found, if it was miles from his home.

If his car was found at a casino, I'd think he was there, eating, gambling or seeing a show, If it were at a mall, I'd think he was at a store. If it were at a strip joint I'd think he was there watching strippers. If it were parked in a cul-de-sac I'd think he was visiting or meeting someone.

 

[Fairy1]

What else is there to investigate, though? I know what you're saying. But there was a tip that someone thought he might have been at one of those stores, and the person on the video wasn't recognized as Steven, by his father.

I actually didn't understand the part about Rolf not identifying "himself"....I think Naegle was actually referring to Steven, and not Rolf.
Why would they show Rolf video of himself....and if they did, why wouldn't he know where he was????

I think that's why she suggested we contact LE...which I just tried to do (again). We'll see.

Okay - I hope that works, but I don't have much faith.

I give up.

 

[Fairy1]

Here are all the Home Depots in the Vegas area:

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs...tance_1=50&city=&state_1=&distance_2=50&store=

 

[Fairy1]

And here are the Best Buys in the area:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat12092&type=page&_requestid=466196

 

[RubyRed]

Okay - I hope that works, but I don't have much faith.

I give up.

What has you frustrated, Fairy1? That the family isn't pursuing things that they really should? I think they need to be more pro-active because with more things happening in the SP case ( search coming up) SK is going to keep taking a backseat.

 

[laytonian]

Here are all the Home Depots in the Vegas area:

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs...tance_1=50&city=&state_1=&distance_2=50&store=

Hey, you gave up two minutes ago

OK....the closest one to where the car was found is this one:
2200 E Serene Ave, Las Vegas, NV 89123

It's nine miles away, just off I-215.

The closest Best Buy is:
611 Marks St
Henderson, NV 89014

Those two places are ten miles apart. I can't find any Best Buy or Home Depots near each other.

 

[Fairy1]

What has you frustrated, Fairy1? That the family isn't pursuing things that they really should? I think they need to be more pro-active because with more things happening in the SP case ( search coming up) SK is going to keep taking a backseat.

Everything has me frustrated! Steven will continue taking a back seat as long as there is no effort to find him. I'm here and I can and will look for him - but only if I know where to go. It's a big city and I have a full-time job and a family. I'm willing to look for Steven, but I can't do it by myself.

I have my own theories about Steven, but I'm still open to other theories. With what little we know - it really can go any which way.

 

[laytonian]

What has you frustrated, Fairy1? That the family isn't pursuing things that they really should? I think they need to be more pro-active because with more things happening in the SP case ( search coming up) SK is going to keep taking a backseat.

Local LE is publicly stating that they are *not* supporting the SP search that's scheduled for this next weekend. They don't want anyone getting hurt, lost, etc. They did talk, last night, about many of the searches they've conducted (including the mineshafts they keep getting tips about) in looking for her.

I really don't know what *either* family can be doing. Publicity really doesn't solve cases, UNLESS you can publicize something like Brian Mitchell, who wears robes and has a long beard. People will (and did) spot him!

 

[rd_jfc]

May I suggest, what was the pattern of what SK was doing? If you take the last month of his known activities, or maybe slightly more or slightly less if there was a clear demarcation (for example, maybe last three months when he had moved to his current small apartment), linearly continue the pattern over the last few days up to and including Sunday when he disappeared.

That implies, for example, that his driving in last few days was all part of that same pattern. The suggestion is that lacking any indication of communications concerning a major shift in activities, he was doing same thing he had been doing.

What was that?

My personal opinion is that trying to come up with a scenario to fit the facts is tempting when it doesn't make sense. But for example buying small Christmas gifts fo his young relatives during those drives is part of an indication of continuity, not drastic change, such as planning on ditching his car and running away, etc.

Another was to put it is the KISS principle. Barring evidence of a change to his life, the most likely explanation is that there wasn't any change to his life that he was planning. I know that's been covered pretty well in scenarios where he's continuing some type of business activity / promotion in that neighborhood that he had been carrying on, and what it could be and who with.

But I mean even more fundamental. What was he doing day in and day out for the previous month or two or three, and if that pattern continued is the only thing that changed long drives including to Vegas, where he disappeared?

rd

 

[Fairy1]

Hey, you gave up two minutes ago

OK....the closest one to where the car was found is this one:
2200 E Serene Ave, Las Vegas, NV 89123

It's nine miles away, just off I-215.

The closest Best Buy is:
611 Marks St
Henderson, NV 89014

Those two places are ten miles apart. I can't find any Best Buy or Home Depots near each other.

Smart Alec! I'm attemping to illustrate why it's so dang frustrating!

Sunset and Marks intersect. Marks runs N/S and Sunset runs E/W. I can't recall either one of these stores in the area, but that's mostly because these are stores my DH would go to, not me.

 

[RubyRed]

Local LE is publicly stating that they are *not* supporting the SP search that's scheduled for this next weekend. They don't want anyone getting hurt, lost, etc. They did talk, last night, about many of the searches they've conducted (including the mineshafts they keep getting tips about) in looking for her.

I really don't know what *either* family can be doing. Publicity really doesn't solve cases, UNLESS you can publicize something like Brian Mitchell, who wears robes and has a long beard. People will (and did) spot him!

I am going to say I don't get LE attitude. Why is it this police department didn't worry about anyone getting hurt or lost? Thousands turned out to search for her on Christmas Day, Even in SK case, start somewhere, and rule out places as you search. It's better than nothing.
Or just sit back and wait till someone stumbles across SK or SP. Well that could be never, like some of Ted Bundy's victims in Utah.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ng_maryland_girl_sarah_foxwell_11_found_.html