Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. What do you think?

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From nymag:

Mari now thinks Brewer frequently brought girls to Oak Beach for parties and that Hackett knew. She suspects that Pak drove girls to other parties there as well. Even if Brewer, Hackett, or Pak didn’t kill the four girls who are confirmed dead, and even if they don’t know who did, Gilbert thinks they’ve been less than forthcoming about the murders and Shannan’s disappearance and could potentially provide useful information if they were more cooperative. The police have said repeatedly that Hackett, like Brewer and Pak, is not a suspect in the case. If Brewer, Hackett, and Pak were involved, I ask Mari, why would they leave the bodies so close to home? That’s the point, she replies. “Who would ever think?”

http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/index5.html

From nj.com:

Brewer told The Star-Ledger last week that he questioned her gender that night. Those close to Gilbert say that’s an outrageous suggestion, since she is wholly woman.

But Brewer said Gilbert asked him if he had ever hired an online escort for sex. Then, he said she asked, "Have you come across any transvestites?" He was turned off, he said, and started to wonder if she was man or at least part man. "I wanted her out," he said.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/jersey_city_prostitute_still_m.html

This is just sick. That is taunting. When Shannan's body was found JB liked it on his fb
 

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This is just sick. That is taunting. When Shannan's body was found JB liked it on his fb

I respectfully disagree that this was taunting. The whole "like" button is pretty ambiguous. You could argue that he was happy that she was found because her family can now bring her home (if he didn't kill her, he must be racked with guilt), or that his name might be cleared vs. him taunting everyone that she is dead.

Just my two cents. Yet one more thing we'll know for sure once the police or the FBI or somebody solves this thing.
 

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I have always wondered if SG came across something at JB's house that connected MP to one of the dead women. A picture, a driver' s license, something. She arrived trusting MP and left running for her life. And not from JB. JMO
 

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I have always wondered if SG came across something at JB's house that connected MP to one of the dead women. A picture, a driver' s license, something. She arrived trusting MP and left running for her life. And not from JB. JMO

FYI; May 1st, 2010 the GB4 victims had not yet been found.
 

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I also believe CPH was in on it, maybe he was planned as the next stop and he was someone she was afraid of, but I also think one of the others was trying to set him up with the vitals comment and her clothes right in his back yard. JMO. Just rambling.
 

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FYI; May 1st, 2010 the GB4 victims had not yet been found.

There was gossip then on the street about a male with a limp and a man with a lazy eye. There were two girls missing they were looking for, Maureen and then Shannan. There were skulls and remains they had been finding for years.
 

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I have always thought that JB and/or MP took Shannon to CPH's home that night, and they got a prescription for Xanax or Oxycontine that they then called into the pharmacy. I can't think of any other logical reason why they would have been calling the pharmacy that night.
 

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There was gossip then on the street about a male with a limp and a man with a lazy eye. There were two girls missing they were looking for, Maureen and then Shannan. There were skulls and remains they had been finding for years.

redbird, where did you get this info from? can you provide backup?

thanks
 

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I have always thought that JB and/or MP took Shannon to CPH's home that night, and they got a prescription for Xanax or Oxycontine that they then called into the pharmacy. I can't think of any other logical reason why they would have been calling the pharmacy that night.

And the doc put something *special* in there just for the girl, something that may have resulted in a state of paranoia. This would explain her fear of MP if he was the one who procured the meds and handed them to SG. It would explain the rapid calls between SG and MP as the drugs were taking effect. It would explain SG's call to the pharmacy. It would explain the doc's retracted statements of trying to help her and giving her a sedative. And it would explain why she vanished in front of the doctors house.

I believe there would need to be one other catalyst though; a taunt, an act or a message of some kind to instill serious fear. I do not believe this other catalyst came from JB or MP, I believe it came from an inadequate wanna be boogie man, something along the lines of the calls made to some of the LISK's victim's little sister. I believe this catalyst would empower the culprit, make him important, and make SG need him to "help" her. One dose of medicine to send her down, and later a dose of something else to "save" her.

The same behavior as the sadist who strangles the victim to within an inch of their life, then brings them back. Or the arson fireman "hero" who sets the blaze so he can put it out. Like Richard Angelo whose motive was to portray himself as a hero; after poisoning his victims, he would wait until they went into cardiac arrest, then come by and save them in front of his colleagues. Like Timothy Bindner who would kidnap and kill little girls then flaunt the power of closure to the victim's mothers while "helping" to search for the girls. He is a weak, inadequate, powerless man, seeking attention, praise, to be seen as powerful and possibly as a hero. Someone whose desire is to manipulate and control a situation and to dominate people. This person would also desire to manipulate and control the investigation from it's inception.
 

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I have always wondered if SG came across something at JB's house that connected MP to one of the dead women. A picture, a driver' s license, something. She arrived trusting MP and left running for her life. And not from JB. JMO

I also have a gut feeling she saw something or knew something else.
The question about him and a transvestite is key to something. Possibly she knew one was missing and she was wondering? That last part is pure speculation on my end.

I also agree with JB and the FB like button, it pretty much is the same as a thanks here in ways. Very general and could mean many things.
 

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At this point it appears to me that....

a) JB purposely avoided a LI escort and went for a NYC girl. (realizing that he could be lying, and never searched on Backpages or Craigslist at all. He likely called either SG or MP directly).

b) MP and likely SG had dealings with JB previously. (MP knew Brewer's last name, and SG went for a ride with JB alone, she trusted him)

c) CPH is very likely involved with JB and MP, the parties and the drugs.

d) The relationship between MP, JB, and CPH can either be formal or casual, but a relationship exists.


e) JB, MP, and CPH have not been completely honest and forthcoming in their disclosures to LE.

f) Each of the three men have knowledge that could be life-threatening to the others. None of the men can 'off' the other to keep them quiet because it would bring focus on living.

g) They must be living in a sort of equilibrium where they believe that as long as all three stay quiet they are safe. They do not believe that LE can solve the case.


The solution to this case lies in proving a previous or existing relationship between these three men and or the missing girls.

MOO
 

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At this point it appears to me that....

a) JB purposely avoided a LI escort and went for a NYC girl. (realizing that he could be lying, and never searched on Backpages or Craigslist at all. He likely called either SG or MP directly).

b) MP and likely SG had dealings with JB previously. (MP knew Brewer's last name, and SG went for a ride with JB alone, she trusted him)

c) CPH is very likely involved with JB and MP, the parties and the drugs.

d) The relationship between MP, JB, and CPH can either be formal or casual, but a relationship exists.


e) JB, MP, and CPH have not been completely honest and forthcoming in their disclosures to LE.

f) Each of the three men have knowledge that could be life-threatening to the others. None of the men can 'off' the other to keep them quiet because it would bring focus on living.

g) They must be living in a sort of equilibrium where they believe that as long as all three stay quiet they are safe. They do not believe that LE can solve the case.


The solution to this case lies in proving a previous or existing relationship between these three men and or the missing girls.

MOO

I have seen no data or evidence that points to a pre-existing relationship between SG, MP and anyone in oak beach.
 

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Something occurs to me as I read the replies in this thread. If I was paying money for a working girl I would do some research. I might sit there with a friend and look at all the ads maybe request photos etc... I am paying money. Maybe I don't have enough money to hire working girls everyday. So I want to make sure I have a good time and get one that fits what I am attracted to. I have no experience in hiring these women this is just my take on it as a male. I also would never hire anyone for sex.

However putting myself in JB's position as a man I would fine tune and select. We don't just go for the first female we see. So I can understand why not a LI working girl vs NYC but I can also see why. We would need to look at ads on LI vs NYC and see if there was a wider variety. Did JB already hire a lot of the girls from LI and he wanted someone else?

Anyhow just my take on it as a man if I was to hire someone. We have our types. Hair color etc... I personally am attracted to a very specific type of female so for me I would need to sift thru ads for quite sometime to find one I liked.

Also JB liking her body being found is somewhat confusing. He is probably happy that closure is coming IMO so that he is cleared. I am sure a lot of people are looking at him as suspect. I have liked things on Youtube or FB and thought wow how can you tell whether that was meant in a good way? It can be confusing. Hope that helps.
 

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Hey guys this is Jim Jones and when I interviewed GC (Sunday With Gus)he said that when MP drove down to him looking for Shannan, MP said that he and Shannan had been partying at JB's etc etc. But what I found interesting was that it sounded like from the way GC described it to me that MP used JB's last name. This didn't really dawn on me as i was doing the actual interview but I wondered about it later. So next time I saw GC at the Dec 13 vigil I asked him specifically if MP used JB's last name. And he replied with an adamant YES. This kinda makes me think that maybe JB and MP did have some kinda relationship. I mean what's the chances MP would know JB's last name on a first encounter? I guess it's possible but seems unlikely IMO.

Well, if MP knows how to read and was in JB's house, he probably saw and read something with JB's first and last name on it.

Or, maybe JB passed on his last name to MP himself.

How much time had elapsed between your interview with GC and the Dec. 13th vigil?
 

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Fyi, the calls from around NYC were actually from the perp to Melissa Barthelemy's little sister, not Shannan. The only other phone calls were those made by CPH to Shannan's mother & sister, and those calls were made from CPH's phone, not Shannan's phone.

Wow another new piece of the puzzle for me.

CPH I know made a call to MG....denied kicking & screaming the whole way till 48 hours where going to break the silience & give an opportunity for doc to respond before airing.

Hence Letter that Truth puts up consistantly to nay sayers rebutting....kicking & screaming IMO

I did not know or overlooked the fact that CPH called SG's Sister.....Now if that isn't damming....why would an educated person who is well aware or what it means to put oneself in the middle of an Investagation & stating she is in a rehab....hello....IMO A guilty person trying to throw the Dogs off.

We are people who are trying to help the victims & families...but what I do not understand is why some ordinary people posting go out of there way as far as feeling like they are entitled to reporters private sources.

See you hire a lawyer for that.....to ask 48 hours to provide evidence....ah you have a better chance finding your way to the electric chair IMO....Reporters go to jail to keep sources safe......Everybody knows that....I think...lol

Some people here are absolutely Brilliant
Some posters really respect families feelings
Some people are discusted by LE & Lack of Seriousness
Some people feel the opposite & are not respectful at all ....... just rebute anything having to do with the people who hired SG, GC & CPH Bullcrap stories
SG claimed these people were going to kill her.....she is found without her skinny pants on ...hello

Well freedom of speech is just that.....Freedom
Opinions are based on our Motive & mine wants to know why these clowns lied...until it happens they are My POI & Focus.....

Whatever your motive is you own it
Good slays evil every day of the week
may be a long fight but believe me there are usually many that go down with the evilLots & Lots .....JMO from lifes experiences ...Trust the process...I Do
 

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Wow another new piece of the puzzle for me.

CPH I know made a call to MG....denied kicking & screaming the whole way till 48 hours where going to break the silience & give an opportunity for doc to respond before airing.

Hence Letter that Truth puts up consistantly to nay sayers rebutting....kicking & screaming IMO

I did not know or overlooked the fact that CPH called SG's Sister.....Now if that isn't damming....why would an educated person who is well aware or what it means to put oneself in the middle of an Investagation & stating she is in a rehab....hello....IMO A guilty person trying to throw the Dogs off.

We are people who are trying to help the victims & families...but what I do not understand is why some ordinary people posting go out of there way as far as feeling like they are entitled to reporters private sources.

See you hire a lawyer for that.....to ask 48 hours to provide evidence....ah you have a better chance finding your way to the electric chair IMO....Reporters go to jail to keep sources safe......Everybody knows that....I think...lol

Some people here are absolutely Brilliant
Some posters really respect families feelings
Some people are discusted by LE & Lack of Seriousness
Some people feel the opposite & are not respectful at all ....... just rebute anything having to do with the people who hired SG, GC & CPH Bullcrap stories
SG claimed these people were going to kill her.....she is found without her skinny pants on ...hello


Well freedom of speech is just that.....Freedom
Opinions are based on our Motive & mine wants to know why these clowns lied...until it happens they are My POI & Focus.....

Whatever your motive is you own it
Good slays evil every day of the week
may be a long fight but believe me there are usually many that go down with the evilLots & Lots .....JMO from lifes experiences ...Trust the process...I Do


She claimed that what people were going to kill her?
 

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Btw, we have lethal injection in Texas. *Not* the electric chair.
 

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She claimed that what people were going to kill her?

On posts SG family member stated names were given to 911. So that is in LE hands not mine.....The people @ JB & his house......So who are they?????

She is hiding behind a couch telling LE 911 this which prompted JB to get MP out of his car & speak to LE on phone....MP stated on 48 hours.

Are you saying this never took place?

Are you implying I am not being factual?

Are you saying SG just said that for no apparent reason?

I don't understand your intension.....?

Even Robin Sax wanted to know who all they were.....she was at JB's house with drifter & MP & left fearing for her life......is this right?

Is SG deceased?

Can this be a hoax by LE too?

Do you think SG was fearing for her Life?

Do you think SG helped uncover a dozen or so people's remains & give closure to some victim family members?

What do you think about SG & what really happened to her, I am honestly interested?

So I answered your questions I am wondering about the fact that SG is deceased & who do you think she was referring to?

I just still stick with who I See as the obvious....JB & guests

He methodically hired a girl far from his location which is a red flag....who can go & help SG didn't even know where she was.......
That was also stated by LE thats why when GC & nieghbor called the LE knew where to go...Is that a pretty factual statement?

SK EVOLVE that is how they get CAUGHT & I think that happened IMO JB is on the Stand.....in the courtroom.....begging.......saying it was an accident.....Your Honor.....I'll Plea I'll Plea....please do not put me in with prison population (tears uncontrollable). Not granted, no pleas shackle um. Thats it off to Dahmers fate he goes.....IMO if it is him ..... which I bet grandma's rocker on.....
 

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The way you worded your post I thought you were saying that she claimed JB, GC and CPH were trying to kill her.
 
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