The cries for help

[gxm]

I'm sure Trayvon's Family has recordings of Trayvon for voice analysis.

If that's the case, then the FBI has already analyzed the recording, and as per testimony, the investigators gained no insight on the voice. Without insight as to who's voice it was, it will make poor evidence.

Insight: The capacity to discern the true nature of a situation

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[LambChop]

If that's the case, then the FBI has already analyzed the recording, and as per testimony, the investigators gained no insight on the voice. Without insight as to who's voice it was, it will make poor evidence.

Insight: The capacity to discern the true nature of a situation

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

Or this one: The act or outcome of grasping the inward or hidden nature of things or of perceiving in an intuitive manner.

The emphasis is on perception. Had MOM ask the question and used conclusion he may have gotten a difference answer. Gilbreath himself would have no insight into the recordings. The reports will speak for themselves. MOM did not ask Gilbreath what his conclusions were regarding the results of both those reports, OS and the FBI. I think MOM phrased the question that way to get the answer he wanted. jmo

 

[Nova]

If that's the case, then the FBI has already analyzed the recording, and as per testimony, the investigators gained no insight on the voice. Without insight as to who's voice it was, it will make poor evidence.

Insight: The capacity to discern the true nature of a situation

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

With respect, your conclusion as to Gilbreath's meaning makes grammatical sense. But human beings--particularly unprepared ones--often don't follow strict rules of grammar.

Because of that, to me it isn't clear from Gilbreath's testimony that he meant NO ONE received any insight or whether he simply meant HE received no insight. Or he may have simply meant that although GZ had been excluded, TM's voice hadn't been tested and therefore no one had been included as the source of the voice. O'Mara didn't pursue the subject long enough to make Gilbreath's answer clear.

We should remember that Gilbreath hadn't been prepped, wasn't expecting to testify, and certainly knew that "no" and "I don't know" were the safest answers.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

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Great post...the BBM portions, hit GZ's mentality on the head..:maddening:

I believe he is a bully, has no boundries, is a control freak with impulse control problems. He's not all that he thinks he is, but his ego is stroked by the neighbors in his community and has the HOA backing...and his CWP is his courage...

He's aggressive, he's a ne'er do well kind of guy. At his age, he should have his profession down already but he isn't successful in his attempts at employment or business ownership. He a loose cannon, this was his destiny he himself created..

He can't make it in the professional world, so he uses the government to get him enrolled in college, taking those criminal justice courses..He wanted to be a judge or magistrate, after he couldn't be the cop he wanted to be...he's an opportunist who saw an opportunity to become the best thing that TWR has in it's midst..and he's had complaints lodged against him prior to taking TM's life...





Why did they escort this gentleman out? Why didn't they take his complaint seriously...Now he's out of control....GZ that is...





Of course the HOA has to claim ignorance...they stand a chance of being sued just by enforcing GZ as the one to call if you've had a problem...they shouldn't have ignored the aggression factor that a neighbor has complained to SPD...




I believe something went haywire within GZ this year and from then on, he can't get it together..His propensity for violence, his aggressive nature I believe is his downfall...



I believe this is his personal vendetta....and why GZ is where he's at today...





The alleged thief had already been caught, charged and convicted....but not when he first seen, he did elude capture at that time...




I believe someone should have dealt with GZ's propensity for violence way before this fatal incident. He appears to be passive aggressive, with control issues with a mentality to match. If his mind tells him someone is up to no good, on drugs or something, he will make sure they don't get away, this time and this time proved fatal for TM, who did nothing to warrant any suspicions other than what GZ's mind tells him..

No one is addressing GZ's mentality, which I believe is the driving force behind his actions towards anyone he deems a criminal..it's all in his mindframe..

Justice for Trayvon Martin

Hmm something happening in his life just about every two years since 2005.

I wonder if we will hear of a PTSD defense. I mean that other case basically used to it get her off. Or one for a diminished capacity. You know the it's not his fault. It the A####### that always get away fault. That would lessen the charge of murder. Heck,he may just be able to get another slap on the hand.

Why would Trayvon put his hands over George's mouth to stop him from screaming? Those screams would bring help for him. I'd expect to see something, anything on George's face if Trayvon was struggling with his hands over George mouth.

George had every reason to shut Trayvon up. Maybe Trayvon was screaming for his life and George was yelling for help because he is a two letter word. The first word starts with a C and the next with a S.

 

[mommakk51]

I have listened to the 911 call many times. It does certainly seem as though the screaming stops as soon as the shot is fired. While it is obvious why TM would stop screaming, why would GZ? If he were the screamer I don't think he would stop screaming as soon as he fired the shot. He wouldn't know immediately that TM was no longer a threat. It sounds as though the shot actually stops a scream so I think the person screaming was the person shot TM.

I have a link to a slowed down version of the 911 call, and on it, you can still hear screaming After the shot. It isn't an MSM link though, so not sure if I am allowed to post it?
:moo:

 

[mommakk51]

If I were having my head slammed into the ground, fearful of my life, telling me "I'm going to go call 911!" isn't help to me. It will take minutes for police to arrive, I need help NOW.

Spot ON AJ!! GZ already had made a call to 911, so he knew they were on the way. The help he needed was for someone to come out and try to get whatever/whoever was on GZ, OFF of him. In effect, he is right when he said that noone helped him.

:moo::moo::moo:

 

[LambChop]

Spot ON AJ!! GZ already had made a call to 911, so he knew they were on the way. The help he needed was for someone to come out and try to get whatever/whoever was on GZ, OFF of him. In effect, he is right when he said that noone helped him.

:moo::moo::moo:

John did what he was suppose to do, call 911 and not interfere. Let LE handle it. jmo

 

[mommakk51]

Trying to get caught up here. I've been real confused since the topic split off into separate threads. I am way back on page 11, and in the discussion of what GZ was wearing. Strictly my opinion here, but in watching the tapes again, where he is taken into SPD that night, it appears to me that there is something bulky under the gray shirt that GZ has on. In his chest area, it appears that something bulky is wrapped around his chest. That isn't muscles, it is something bulky and uneven. Perhaps a red t-shirt? Maybe they covered him to preserve the red shirt and also gave him a jacket because it was cold? Speculating of course..

IMO-IMHO-MOO 'n stuff..

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/records-detail-george-zimmermans-medical-injuries/nN7Dh/

The FBI was not able to determine whether it was Zimmerman or Martin who could be heard crying out for help in 911 calls.

 

[cityslick]

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/records-detail-george-zimmermans-medical-injuries/nN7Dh/

The FBI was not able to determine whether it was Zimmerman or Martin who could be heard crying out for help in 911 calls.

I'm a little surprised, I would think the FBI has some sophisticated technology to kind of get an idea of who it was.

 

[LambChop]

imo, it is. But that point has been hashed over and over. Time will tell.

MOM asked if Gilbreath had any insight......which means did he have a personal perception as to the voices. And his answer would be no. Gilbreath didn't do the testing and when he listened to the tape he could not tell himself. MOM knew the most likely answer Gilbreath would give is no. MOM got the exact results he wanted. Leaving many in the public to believe the testing was inconclusive. He is a sly fox. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm a little surprised, I would think the FBI has some sophisticated technology to kind of get an idea of who it was.

o/t me too, I think this is a sign that there will be no charges from them, jmo.

 

[jjenny]

I'm a little surprised, I would think the FBI has some sophisticated technology to kind of get an idea of who it was.

There are not enough separate words on 911 tape.

 

[LambChop]

I'm a little surprised, I would think the FBI has some sophisticated technology to kind of get an idea of who it was.

It is possible they did not have a recent recording of TM. jmo

 

[cityslick]

It is possible they did not have a recent recording of TM. jmo

It would of been nice if that phone call to the GF was somehow recorded. That would of been such a huge piece of evidence, probably the most important piece.

 

[gxm]

I'm a little surprised, I would think the FBI has some sophisticated technology to kind of get an idea of who it was.

I'm not surprised at all. The audio is too poor quality and it probably didn't have enough for them to work with.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[jjenny]

I'm not surprised at all. The audio is too poor quality and it probably didn't have enough for them to work with.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

There are very few separate words heard on 911 call.
Of course that didn't stop two experts to show up and claim to the media the person screaming was not Zimmerman. Even though they didn't even match these screams to anyone.
And didn't even determine if Trayvon's voice would score any better than Zimmerman's did.

 

[elementary]

Well it's been confirmed in a witness report that someone in LE reassured them that the person crying out was not the victim (Sorry, did not think to grab the page number!). Hmmm.

Also, a witness has stated that there was a loud, 'demanding and angry' voice.

The cries sounded like a 'young boy's voice'. Page 95.

 

[AJ Noiter]

Well it's been confirmed in a witness report that someone in LE reassured them that the person crying out was not the victim (Sorry, did not think to grab the page number!). Hmmm.

Also, a witness has stated that there was a loud, 'demanding and angry' voice.

The cries sounded like a 'young boy's voice'. Page 95.

"Was not the victim" to me means "it wasn't the guy who was dead on the ground."

The second statement doesn't go either way as it could be said that both of them could have a loud, demanding and angry voice.

The last statement, to me, points to Mr. Zimmerman. Review the Bond Hearing and you tell me if he had a deep masculine voice or (what I call) a "tweeter" voice. I say it's a "tweeter" but make your own decision.

 

[elementary]

"Was not the victim" to me means "it wasn't the guy who was dead on the ground."

The second statement doesn't go either way as it could be said that both of them could have a loud, demanding and angry voice.

The last statement, to me, points to Mr. Zimmerman. Review the Bond Hearing and you tell me if he had a deep masculine voice or (what I call) a "tweeter" voice. I say it's a "tweeter" but make your own decision.

AJ, I was just reporting. Yep, the witness stated that LE told them that Trayvon was not the person who let out those harrowing cries. That's a red flag for me.

As for the second statement, well, yes, either voice could be loud, demanding and angry. Yet, I am more inclined to think that those anguished, terrified cries came from Trayvon moments before his death. Especially now, given that Trayvon was shot through the heart and so was dead in a couple of moments and that is when the cries stop, after the gunshot. It will be interesting to know what the voice experts think. There's a lot of stuff to wade through in the doc dump and that was just at the beginning.

I think GZ is soft- spoken but doesn't have a young sounding voice. IMO, our opinions on this don't really matter. I think it is reasonable to assume that those cries of terror came from the one without the gun. But then, again, it is just opinion.