kittythehare
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It absolutely is... thank you.Thanks kitty. Glad my rambling post might be helpful in some way.
It absolutely is... thank you.Thanks kitty. Glad my rambling post might be helpful in some way.
Thanks for sharing @Limecat. A body in shock can also present with symptoms of being overheated, flush. It's not uncommon for accident victims to remove their clothing. I think the difference here is JL appears to have stripped himself naked -- including his wristwatch. I think he was experiencing something induced by a chemical and the reaction was unexpected by him. MOOThis thought is probably a whole lot of nothing, but whenever it’s discussed about an injury causing JL to suffer from extreme heat hence the removal of clothes...just my weird personal experience (most of my personal experiences are weird it seems).
I had a four level fusion in my neck in 2012. Pretty major surgery and looong recovery. After I was home, of course I slept a good part of the time, but got up for some water. Suddenly I was overcome by a wave of heat like being in the blast furnace of hell. I’ve never felt anything like it before or since. I had bags of ice on my head and in my armpits and I truly believed I was cooking from the inside out. If it had been winter I honestly would’ve stripped naked and found the nearest snow bank to bury myself in.
Point of my blathering on is, I know we’ve talked a lot about possible head injuries, but I wonder if instead it was a neck injury, ie. severe whiplash, etc.? I was fine as far as walking, moving, I just couldn’t make the heat stop. I am wondering if neck injury could explain how JL could have walked farther than we think (but barefoot ouch), hence not within the radius searched.
Just a thought I can’t get over my head. Weird personal story over.
MOO
Thanks for sharing @Limecat. A body in shock can also present with symptoms of being overheated, flush. It's not uncommon for accident victims to remove their clothing. I think the difference here is JL appears to have stripped himself naked -- including his wristwatch. I think he was experiencing something induced by a chemical and the reaction was unexpected by him. MOO
Laced Weed | Marijuana Laced With LSD, Coke & HeroinI meant to research hallucinogens discovered in weed earlier but I did not word the search correctly and got nowhere.
If we knew which it was exactly, we could hazard a guess on how far he got... possibly quite a long way from crash site..
This is important b/c it’s another possible reason for him stripping off all his clothes besides a head injury or a drug. The head injury was bothering me from the minimal car damage on driver’s side. Severe whiplash/neck injury is absolutely possible IMO, and I didn’t know that could cause an overheating sensation, Maybe a nerve thing? Thanks for the story! Sounds terrible though!This thought is probably a whole lot of nothing, but whenever it’s discussed about an injury causing JL to suffer from extreme heat hence the removal of clothes...just my weird personal experience (most of my personal experiences are weird it seems).
I had a four level fusion in my neck in 2012. Pretty major surgery and looong recovery. After I was home, of course I slept a good part of the time, but got up for some water. Suddenly I was overcome by a wave of heat like being in the blast furnace of hell. I’ve never felt anything like it before or since. I had bags of ice on my head and in my armpits and I truly believed I was cooking from the inside out. If it had been winter I honestly would’ve stripped naked and found the nearest snow bank to bury myself in.
Point of my blathering on is, I know we’ve talked a lot about possible head injuries, but I wonder if instead it was a neck injury, ie. severe whiplash, etc.? I was fine as far as walking, moving, I just couldn’t make the heat stop. I am wondering if neck injury could explain how JL could have walked farther than we think (but barefoot ouch), hence not within the radius searched.
Just a thought I can’t get over my head. Weird personal story over.
MOO
Thanks for sharing @Limecat. A body in shock can also present with symptoms of being overheated, flush. It's not uncommon for accident victims to remove their clothing. I think the difference here is JL appears to have stripped himself naked -- including his wristwatch. I think he was experiencing something induced by a chemical and the reaction was unexpected by him. MOO
could be a mixture of methamphetamine and PCP or and other chemicals sprayed on it. lsd could be on the tip.. they did look professionally rolled.
Sounds plausible to me!Just here to post another non-nefarious hypothesis.
Perhaps the accident happened only a couple of minutes after the last ping, as the crash site is really only a 10 minutes drive away. The crash impact was violent enough to shatter the entire back window, and Jason was only dressed in a t-shirt and shorts, and slide sandals with socks, despite it being near freezing with a wind chill of below freezing to be expected in the open area. If the crash knocked him out, motionless in that car with no window, even for 30 or 40 minutes, it would have been enough time for hypothermia to set in.
I’m sure this has already been discussed and I’m joining the discussion late, but there are many documented cases of paradoxical undressing in relation to hypothermia, and that condition combined with a head/neck injury could explain why he may have come to, left the car without his phone, wandered only a short distance before removing his clothes, and then ultimately wandered off towards the pond. He likely would not even be feeling pain in his feet at this point.
Again all just theories. It breaks my heart to think that the truck passing by may have just missed him. And I can’t stop thinking about his poor family to experience just such a tradgedy. I truly hope they get closure some day very soon.
So what would be the purpose of spiked weed? I mean, What would be the purpose of selling someone spiked weed and it be unknown to them? I know you can specifically buy weed w/angel dust etc... but that would cost more, right? Why would somebody put embalming fluid or LCD or PCP or fentanyl on weed unknowingly to the buyer other than just being a jerk? It seems counterproductive to a dealer b/c it would be costing them $. I know there must be a reason and I just don’t think like a drug dealer.
I understand why fentanyl might be used in heroin b/c it is so strong and cheap. They can cut costs and get people hooked quickly. But the laced weed thing I do not understand.
Spiked weed is rare for these reasons. In fact, weed is so potent now that it causes its own problems but spiking or lacing is not that common/actually rare. Secondly, most kids buy their weed from known sources especially at home plate. He's a college kid in SM, formerly at UT. He had a known and common supplier for weed. Any theory is plausible I guess but this one would be way way down on the list of probabilities.So what would be the purpose of spiked weed? I mean, What would be the purpose of selling someone spiked weed and it be unknown to them? I know you can specifically buy weed w/angel dust etc... but that would cost more, right? Why would somebody put embalming fluid or LCD or PCP or fentanyl on weed unknowingly to the buyer other than just being a jerk? It seems counterproductive to a dealer b/c it would be costing them $. I know there must be a reason and I just don’t think like a drug dealer.
I understand why fentanyl might be used in heroin b/c it is so strong and cheap. They can cut costs and get people hooked quickly. But the laced weed thing I do not understand.
But it's not.Spiked weed is rare for these reasons. In fact, weed is so potent now that it causes its own problems but spiking or lacing is not that common/actually rare. Secondly, most kids buy their weed from known sources especially at home plate. He's a college kid in SM, formerly at UT. He had a known and common supplier for weed. Any theory is plausible I guess but this one would be way way down on the list of probabilities.
Good thoughts, @HoustonGuy! The main reasons I think a bad drug reaction keeps coming up is 1) LE is who mentioned the MJ possibly being laced w/a hallucinogenic and 2) the weird behavior of dropping his things all down the road, stripping off all his clothes in the road and disappearing. But I agree his wreck and disappearance could totally have nothing to do with drugs. It would just explain a few things.hi everyone - had to make an account here as i dont feel comfortable posting this in the FB groups with my name attached and wanted to dispel some thoughts on the “Laced Weed” theory. I think this theory is incredibly unlikely, while I can admit that it’s possible – I think the likelihood of something else having happened is much higher.
As someone who has consumed A LOT of MJ and knows A LOT of people who have consumed A LOT of MJ – not once has it happened or have I even heard of it happening to anyone in my circle. MJ itself is REALLY cheap now…. Back in the day, it made financial sense to do this to make it “more potent” aka cutting your product with something cheaper to make it equally as potent as the same weight of the actual product. That’s not the case anymore. The supply of MJ is higher now than its ever been in history.
HOWEVER – I did see he had 2 pre-rolled that looked that they were purchased that way, IT IS possible that those were not MJ at all but rather Spice/K2 – they almost look identical and it is known to cause bad reactions and freakouts. I’m not willing to rule this out. Especially because K2/spice IS cheaper than MJ. I think people talking about joints dipped in lucy/PCP/speed/ketamine (pretty popular right now actually) etc need to redirect to this theory, IMO. There's a whole netflix episode about this.
I’m also not willing to rule out that he willingly took some other substance and had a reaction he wasn’t expecting. If he was recently getting into the “drug scene”, it wouldn’t be the first time a college kid did some drugs without researching them extensively first. HOWEVER, from what I’ve read he seemed reasonably smart to know that driving on anything heavier than MJ is a huge risk and I can’t see someone taking something more psychoactively intense knowingly, before a 3 hour drive. This thought always leads me back to the K2/Spice theory above.
All of this to say, no matter if any of the above 3 paragraphs are true, I don’t foresee that it was the main cause of his disappearance/probable death – I think there was a secondary factor.
I believe the following:
1) Went down road to have a smoke and crashed and has since passed and is in the area, but not yet found
2) Went down the road to have a smoke + something nefarious happened (in which case – the intake of any substance is pretty irrelevant other than his intent to consume brought him to his ultimate fate)
3) Something happened at the intersection where he last pinged which led him to his ultimate fate (I’m sorry I keep using this term but I’m not real confident he’s alive sadly)
4) He wasn’t the one driving and something happened back in San Mo
I’m just kind of streaming consciousness at this point – but really wanted to type this out to say, so much of this focus on the drugs is taking away from other discussion as I think it’s HIGHLY unlikely that the drugs in any way shape or form are the SOLE cause of this incident.
This whole thing just doesn’t sit right with me because of all of the ifs/this/then/that scenarios there’s always something that doesn’t quite add up. I also don’t know much about the Luling police dept but I can’t see them running a very sophisticated operation, they’ve slipped up a number of times on this IMO and 3-5 different decisions leading up to now and we might be in a very different/better place. I also believe there is some sensitive and vital information that we are not being told (probably for good reason), so I give them credit for that in keeping some sensitive info close to the vest.
Anyway… that’s all for now I suppose.
Good thoughts, @HoustonGuy! The main reasons I think a bad drug reaction keeps coming up is 1) LE is who mentioned the MJ possibly being laced w/a hallucinogenic and 2) the weird behavior of dropping his things all down the road, stripping off all his clothes in the road and disappearing. But I agree his wreck and disappearance could totally have nothing to do with drugs. It would just explain a few things.
I also had thought of Spice or K2. Those have a terrible reputation. But didn’t LE specifically say it was marijuana?
I thought that they had pretty much claimed he was the one driving since it was his phone that pinged and he had actually snap chatted with someone while in Luling? I don’t believe this is in question anymore.....he drove from SM to the intersection in Luling where he was snapchatting....so I believe they know for sure he was driving with his phone and snapchatting.....but what happened after the intesection when there was no more digital imprint is still sort of up in the air....hi everyone - had to make an account here as i dont feel comfortable posting this in the FB groups with my name attached and wanted to dispel some thoughts on the “Laced Weed” theory. I think this theory is incredibly unlikely, while I can admit that it’s possible – I think the likelihood of something else having happened is much higher.
As someone who has consumed A LOT of MJ and knows A LOT of people who have consumed A LOT of MJ – not once has it happened or have I even heard of it happening to anyone in my circle. MJ itself is REALLY cheap now…. Back in the day, it made financial sense to do this to make it “more potent” aka cutting your product with something cheaper to make it equally as potent as the same weight of the actual product. That’s not the case anymore. The supply of MJ is higher now than its ever been in history.
HOWEVER – I did see he had 2 pre-rolled that looked that they were purchased that way, IT IS possible that those were not MJ at all but rather Spice/K2 – they almost look identical and it is known to cause bad reactions and freakouts. I’m not willing to rule this out. Especially because K2/spice IS cheaper than MJ. I think people talking about joints dipped in lucy/PCP/speed/ketamine (pretty popular right now actually) etc need to redirect to this theory, IMO. There's a whole netflix episode about this.
I’m also not willing to rule out that he willingly took some other substance and had a reaction he wasn’t expecting. If he was recently getting into the “drug scene”, it wouldn’t be the first time a college kid did some drugs without researching them extensively first. HOWEVER, from what I’ve read he seemed reasonably smart to know that driving on anything heavier than MJ is a huge risk and I can’t see someone taking something more psychoactively intense knowingly, before a 3 hour drive. This thought always leads me back to the K2/Spice theory above.
All of this to say, no matter if any of the above 3 paragraphs are true, I don’t foresee that it was the main cause of his disappearance/probable death – I think there was a secondary factor.
I believe the following:
1) Went down road to have a smoke and crashed and has since passed and is in the area, but not yet found
2) Went down the road to have a smoke + something nefarious happened (in which case – the intake of any substance is pretty irrelevant other than his intent to consume brought him to his ultimate fate)
3) Something happened at the intersection where he last pinged which led him to his ultimate fate (I’m sorry I keep using this term but I’m not real confident he’s alive sadly)
4) He wasn’t the one driving and something happened back in San Mo
I’m just kind of streaming consciousness at this point – but really wanted to type this out to say, so much of this focus on the drugs is taking away from other discussion as I think it’s HIGHLY unlikely that the drugs in any way shape or form are the SOLE cause of this incident.
This whole thing just doesn’t sit right with me because of all of the ifs/this/then/that scenarios there’s always something that doesn’t quite add up. I also don’t know much about the Luling police dept but I can’t see them running a very sophisticated operation, they’ve slipped up a number of times on this IMO and 3-5 different decisions leading up to now and we might be in a very different/better place. I also believe there is some sensitive and vital information that we are not being told (probably for good reason), so I give them credit for that in keeping some sensitive info close to the vest.
Anyway… that’s all for now I suppose.
A dose of of pure mescaline is 300-400 mg. I don't think there's any way to fit that much drug into a blunt and it would be very inefficient, and probably completely ineffective, to try to take it that way. My impression is that mescaline is also very rare to find on the street.RSBM
What about mescaline?
Is that still used?
Very trippy drug.