TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #3

[?mysterian?]

Yes. At least the Caldwell Co. Sheriff's Office seems to think so: "There remains a possibility that the marijuana was combined with an unknown hallucinogenic substance." I'm trying to decide who's opinion I should go with...

Not to mention, there are plenty of ways to ingest a hallucinogenic drug without it being "laced" into marijuana, even if country/boomers (who btw invented marijuana, cocaine, and heroin!) seem to be the only ones who know this.

I agree that the "laced" narrative might distract from other possible scenarios, including some scenarios favored by other on WS who simply disagree - they simply favor a different scenario. But that's the great thing about WS. Lots of great sleuthing. Lots of great theories/scenarios. The laced scenario is just one of them (albeit one that's been mentioned by LE as being possible; and how else do you explain the clothes?)

Idk what happened to JL. And I agree that whether drugs were involved or not, he's missing and he needs to be found. <modsnip> JMO

(Bolded by me). I respectfully disagree. Marijuana, cocaine, and heroin were not “invented” by “country/boomers”. I’m not even sure who you mean by “country”, however, all three substances have been around for a very long time:
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Marijuana's History: How One Plant Spread Through the World | Live Science

<snip>”The history of cannabis use goes back as far as 12,000 years, which places the plant among humanity's oldest cultivated crops, according to information in the book "Marihuana: The First Twelve Thousand Years" (Springer, 1980).”<snip>
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The origins of cannabis smoking: Chemical residue evidence from the first millennium BCE in the Pamirs

<snip>”In prehistoric and early historic Central Eurasia, many plants were used for their secondary compounds, and several are still in prominent use today, notably the opium poppy (Papaver somniferum), ephedra (Ephedra spp.), and cannabis (Cannabis sativa).”<snip>

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https://methoide.fcm.arizona.edu/infocenter/index.cfm?stid=168

<snip>”Pure cocaine is extracted from the leaf of the Erythroxylon coca bush found mostly in South America.[1,2] The coca leaf, the consumption of which dates back to at least 3000 BC, has long been utilized for its ability to boost energy, relieve fatigue, and lessen hunger.[3]”<snip>

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https://methoide.fcm.arizona.edu/infocenter/index.cfm?stid=174

<snip>”Opium, the first opioid, is derived from the sap of opium poppies, whose growth and cultivation dates back to the ancient civilization of Mesopotamia around 3400 BC.”<snip>

<snip>”Heroin was synthesized from morphine in 1874 by an English chemist, but was not produced commercially until 1898 by the Bayer Pharmaceutical Company.[2] ”<snip>

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[happyday]

Most of those landowners aren't single owners - in other words, the land can be accessed for a multitude of reasons based on the easements, leases, sub-leases, mineral rights, hunting rights, etc. I don't think getting access to property is a significant impediment to searching..

Really? I hope you’re right and a volunteer search is organized soon. I would love to help search.

 

[Rush4087]

Seems LE ought to be able to test the drop of blood found on his shorts to determine whether he was under the influence of anything at all. I assume they are doing this, but maybe any tox testing that goes much beyond BAC or opioids takes longer to do, idk. I would also guess that testing the pot for any hallucinogenic substances might take a while as well.

 

[Rush4087]

(Bolded by me). I respectfully disagree. Marijuana, cocaine, and heroin were not “invented” by “country/boomers”. I’m not even sure who you mean by “country”, however, all three substances have been around for a very long time:
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Marijuana's History: How One Plant Spread Through the World | Live Science

<snip>”The history of cannabis use goes back as far as 12,000 years, which places the plant among humanity's oldest cultivated crops, according to information in the book "Marihuana: The First Twelve Thousand Years" (Springer, 1980).”<snip>
——————————————
The origins of cannabis smoking: Chemical residue evidence from the first millennium BCE in the Pamirs

<snip>”In prehistoric and early historic Central Eurasia, many plants were used for their secondary compounds, and several are still in prominent use today, notably the opium poppy (Papaver somniferum), ephedra (Ephedra spp.), and cannabis (Cannabis sativa).”<snip>

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https://methoide.fcm.arizona.edu/infocenter/index.cfm?stid=168

<snip>”Pure cocaine is extracted from the leaf of the Erythroxylon coca bush found mostly in South America.[1,2] The coca leaf, the consumption of which dates back to at least 3000 BC, has long been utilized for its ability to boost energy, relieve fatigue, and lessen hunger.[3]”<snip>

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https://methoide.fcm.arizona.edu/infocenter/index.cfm?stid=174

<snip>”Opium, the first opioid, is derived from the sap of opium poppies, whose growth and cultivation dates back to the ancient civilization of Mesopotamia around 3400 BC.”<snip>

<snip>”Heroin was synthesized from morphine in 1874 by an English chemist, but was not produced commercially until 1898 by the Bayer Pharmaceutical Company.[2] ”<snip>

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DBM

 

[dub]

Thinking back to my college days, I recall an instance where a group of friends spoked salvia.
No clue if it’s still relevant/around, but I do remember they all had some crazy trips while doing so. One in particular took off his clothes and laid on the floor, sweating. Wonder if it could be something like that? I believe it can look very similar to weed as well

I smoked salvia a couple times in college, both "correctly" and "incorrectly", so I have a little first-hand experience to work with here.

Salvia might look similar to weed shake to an untrained eye, but to someone familiar with what weed looks like, it doesn't look anything alike aside from being green.

I doubt it had anything to do with this situation. You have to smoke salvia "correctly" (basically take three or four huge bong hits one right after the other) for it to work as it's supposed to. If it was mixed with weed in a joint or something it's highly unlikely that it would have any effect.

Also salvia trips are extremely short in duration, like 5-10 minutes, with zero after-effects aside from trying to process what on earth just happened.

 

[Gemmie]

Also salvia trips are extremely short in duration, like 5-10 minutes, with zero after-effects aside from trying to process what on earth just happened.

I can't stop laughing at "zero after-effects aside from trying to process what on earth just happened". LOLOL

Thank you for the much needed laugh! I had just finished watching Brian Sicknick's Capitol funeral before popping in here so was a little down after that.

 

[ForensicToxicologist]

I was thinking about that—even if he’s found we might not ever know what/if he ingested something. I hope any landowners/workers in that ENTIRE area, even further out than one would think, are keeping an eye on any ponds or creeks on their land. He’s just got to be in that area, and my bet would be in some water. He could be surfacing soon if he did end up in water.

Of course all possibilities should be on the table, but I think the signs are pointing to just what it appears—Bad drug reaction, car wreck and a person fleeing and succumbing to elements, injuries or the drug itself.

I really think LE knows by now what if anything the MJ was laced with. I cannot believe it would take this long.

Tox will still come back with results depending on how long after ingestion he died. The body metabolizes drugs over time, but those processes stop (big picture) after death. Vitreous humor is especially resistant to change. BUT if he survived long enough for his system to metabolize whatever was (could’ve been) present...

Edited to fix typo

 

[HoustonGuy]

Tox will still come back with results depending on how long after ingestion he died. The body metabolizes drugs over time, but those processes stop (big picture) after death. Vitreous humor is especially resistant to change. BUT if he survived long enough for his system to metabolize whatever was (could’ve been) present...

Edited to fix typo

super helpful thanks!

 

[GMS]

I’m not sure....I’m still confused as to the 67 minute window with no digital imprint even though his phone was turned on and had a signal as they reported. Maybe he was driving and not using his phone......?

I wonder if Snapchat played any role in the subsequent events that transpired. It was the first time during his drive that he accessed Snapchat - maybe because it was the first time he was able to stop at the intersection. He could have just been checking messages or wanted to let someone know he was on his way back to Sienna Plantation...but maybe he got a message or talked with someone that changed his frame of mind, made him upset, etc. I feel like that intersection plays more of a role and JL's intentional or unintentional decision to continue straight and not make that right turn. I don't think, however, it was letting someone know he was in Luling regarding a possible meet-up as some have speculated.

 

[kittythehare]

I wonder if Snapchat played any role in the subsequent events that transpired. It was the first time during his drive that he accessed Snapchat - maybe because it was the first time he was able to stop at the intersection. He could have just been checking messages or wanted to let someone know he was on his way back to Sienna Plantation...but maybe he got a message or talked with someone that changed his frame of mind, made him upset, etc. I feel like that intersection plays more of a role and JL's intentional or unintentional decision to continue straight and not make that right turn. I don't think, however, it was letting someone know he was in Luling regarding a possible meet-up as some have speculated.

It was LE that presented us with the information about Snapchat.
I believe it is likely they have the information about his last message on that platform.

 

[kittythehare]

I have a question if anybody has the time please?
My understanding from reading the first paragraph of the presser was that a new search is about to commence or has commenced.
I've seen lots of posts asking about a new search so I went to find it again.
I read it and though TEXSAR is mentioned most of the other agencies are investigatory agencies, or are they?

Here's the paragraph-
For immediate release:
The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office continues the search for 21 year old, Jason Landry, who is considered a missing person.
The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office has been partnered with the Texas Rangers and a team of retired Federal Agents/ private investigators in attempting to locate Jason Landry who has been missing since Sunday Dec. 13th, 2020. The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office has utilized and will continue to utilize assistance from other agencies, including the Caldwell County District Attorney’s Office, Texas State University Police, San Marcos Police Department, Texas Department of Public Safety, and
TEXSAR
- Texas Search and Rescue.

Here's the link again to their full release
Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

 

[Seattle1]

It was LE that presented us with the information about Snapchat.
I believe it is likely they have the information about his last message on that platform.

I agree. I believe they've been in contact with the last person JL chatted and confirmed the begin/end of chat, and how they came up with the 67 min window of no activity on his phone.

 

[Spartygirl]

here is a photo from Sheriff dept of the weed found.
It is pre-rolled and looks like he purchased it that way or he is very neat indeed at rolling.
https://www.facebook.com/Caldwell-C...16/photos/pcb.749910755634048/749900725635051

So, this was the "controlled substance" / drugs ??

 

[kittythehare]

So, this was the "controlled substance" / drugs ??

Yes, indeed, from someone who is not as neat at rolling, at that!
Crazy, wasn't it?
Even LE quantify it in their statement as a small qty and take time to kill the rumor that he backpack was filled with drugs.
It's awful the way rumors spout in the internet and must be so distressing to families.

 

[Seattle1]

I have a question if anybody has the time please?
My understanding from reading the first paragraph of the presser was that a new search is about to commence or has commenced.
I've seen lots of posts asking about a new search so I went to find it again.
I read it and though TEXSAR is mentioned most of the other agencies are investigatory agencies, or are they?

Here's the paragraph-
For immediate release:
The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office continues the search for 21 year old, Jason Landry, who is considered a missing person.
The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office has been partnered with the Texas Rangers and a team of retired Federal Agents/ private investigators in attempting to locate Jason Landry who has been missing since Sunday Dec. 13th, 2020. The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office has utilized and will continue to utilize assistance from other agencies, including the Caldwell County District Attorney’s Office, Texas State University Police, San Marcos Police Department, Texas Department of Public Safety, and
TEXSAR
- Texas Search and Rescue.

Here's the link again to their full release
Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

@kittythehare - I don't read this statement as an announcement that a new physical search is about to begin but that CCSO continues to search (i.e., on-going, never stopped), and proceeds to update the viewer on the details, and request the public's help with the 67-minute window.

TEXSAR also made a post on their site on the same date:

TEXSAR
January 29 at 9:38 AM ·
We are grateful for the efforts put forth by the Caldwell County Sheriff's Office and all involved in the search for Jason Landry. Please continue to keep the Landry family in your prayers as the search continues

TEXSAR

ETA: CCSO also acknowledged they do not specialize in SAR and would defer to those that are specialized in this effort (i.e., TEXSAR and partners).

 

[kittythehare]

I have a question if anybody has the time please?
My understanding from reading the first paragraph of the presser was that a new search is about to commence or has commenced.
I've seen lots of posts asking about a new search so I went to find it again.
I read it and though TEXSAR is mentioned most of the other agencies are investigatory agencies, or are they?

Here's the paragraph-
For immediate release:
The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office continues the search for 21 year old, Jason Landry, who is considered a missing person.
The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office has been partnered with the Texas Rangers and a team of retired Federal Agents/ private investigators in attempting to locate Jason Landry who has been missing since Sunday Dec. 13th, 2020. The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office has utilized and will continue to utilize assistance from other agencies, including the Caldwell County District Attorney’s Office, Texas State University Police, San Marcos Police Department, Texas Department of Public Safety, and
TEXSAR
- Texas Search and Rescue.

Here's the link again to their full release
Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

Cancel the question, I apologise.
They did indeed refer to new searches a few paragraphs down. (I'm relieved because I thought I was imagining things)
here's the relevant paragraph
The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office will continue to utilize all available methods, techniques and resources to obtain information that will assist us in locating Jason. At this time, there is no evidence that an unknown person of interest is involved in this incident and investigators believe that there is no threat to our community. Investigators believe that this is an isolated event. The Sheriff’s Office and investigators will continue to aggressively seek out evidence in this missing person incident. The Sheriff’s Office will continue to work with Texas Search and Rescue and other search organizations in an effort to discover any evidence of Jason’s location and additional searches are being planned and organized. Investigators at the Sheriff’s Office do not specialize in search and rescue, and defer to the subject matter experts and specialists in these endeavors. Investigators have reviewed hundreds of hours of video from cameras in and around Luling, none of which have produced any evidentiary findings. Members of the public, who have game cameras on private property, or private surveillance video

 

[kittythehare]

@kittythehare - I don't read this statement as an announcement that a new physical search is about to begin but that CCSO continues to search (i.e., on-going, never stopped), and proceeds to update the viewer on the details, and request the public's help with the 67-minute window.

TEXSAR also made a post on their site on the same date:

TEXSAR
January 29 at 9:38 AM ·
We are grateful for the efforts put forth by the Caldwell County Sheriff's Office and all involved in the search for Jason Landry. Please continue to keep the Landry family in your prayers as the search continues

TEXSAR

I found the relevant paragraph, it was further down the presser, sorry.

 

[Limecat]

My brain (an unreliable source if you ask me) just keeps turning this over and over in my head. So many scenarios seem viable that I certainly wouldn’t know where to begin searching. Start from scratch? The site of the accident?

I know someone upthread mentioned (sorry can’t remember who, meant to reply at the time) that maybe JL changed out of the clothes found in the road (maybe even something more suited to the weather/walking) but why would he remove his watch and underwear? I thought about this possibility too but the underwear and watch throw me off.

I do not in any way think JL walked off into a new life. That just is not on the table for me.

So what scenario fits best that would explain why he got farther than the original search area? Of course he could’ve been missed, or just outside the radius, but IIRC it was a two mile radius. So how would injury play into him being able to get farther than that - presumably stark naked? That part throws me off even more.

A head/neck injury that was serious enough to cause him to over heat but didn’t render him incapable of walking some distance away (barefoot no less), that later intensified to the point of collapse/hypothermia/death?

Here’s something I can’t stop thinking about since we learned he literally removed all of his clothing and watch, would his feet not bleed? Even on pavement? And if he went off the road I would most certainly think his feet would be bleeding, therefore more easily trackable by canines?

Why does the scent trail stop some few hundred yards down the road from the accident site? Did the dogs that tracked him to the pond and (abandoned?) house several times lead off from where his scent left the road? Or from the accident site itself? At first I thought someone may have picked him up and it’s possible, but I don’t think I’d pick up a naked guy walking down the road at night. I’d call 911 to see if he needs help, but he’s not getting in my car!

Onto the laced weed: I’m very interested to learn the results of that testing. I do know it happens, but as an admitted smoker for over two decades before I quit, I never heard of it happening, knew anyone it happened to (stoners tend to socialize with other stoners), nor did anyone I knew who smoked and had friends who smoked ever have it happen. I admit it was awhile ago I quit, so maybe it just wasn’t that prevalent, I don’t know. It’s a different world today for sure.

I wonder if the weed was laced, how long would the effects last? Assuming he stripped down from that and not injury, would it have affected JL for an hour? Two hours? Assuming it, or the behaviors it caused didn’t lead him to do something that would cause him to do something SO crazy that death resulted, and it wore off, was he already hypothermic and unable to find his way to help?

Sorry for the long post. Brain is spinning. All speculation, what if’s, and MOO.

 

[kittythehare]

My brain (an unreliable source if you ask me) just keeps turning this over and over in my head. So many scenarios seem viable that I certainly wouldn’t know where to begin searching. Start from scratch? The site of the accident?

I know someone upthread mentioned (sorry can’t remember who, meant to reply at the time) that maybe JL changed out of the clothes found in the road (maybe even something more suited to the weather/walking) but why would he remove his watch and underwear? I thought about this possibility too but the underwear and watch throw me off.

I do not in any way think JL walked off into a new life. That just is not on the table for me.

So what scenario fits best that would explain why he got farther than the original search area? Of course he could’ve been missed, or just outside the radius, but IIRC it was a two mile radius. So how would injury play into him being able to get farther than that - presumably stark naked? That part throws me off even more.

A head/neck injury that was serious enough to cause him to over heat but didn’t render him incapable of walking some distance away (barefoot no less), that later intensified to the point of collapse/hypothermia/death?

Here’s something I can’t stop thinking about since we learned he literally removed all of his clothing and watch, would his feet not bleed? Even on pavement? And if he went off the road I would most certainly think his feet would be bleeding, therefore more easily trackable by canines?

Why does the scent trail stop some few hundred yards down the road from the accident site? Did the dogs that tracked him to the pond and (abandoned?) house several times lead off from where his scent left the road? Or from the accident site itself? At first I thought someone may have picked him up and it’s possible, but I don’t think I’d pick up a naked guy walking down the road at night. I’d call 911 to see if he needs help, but he’s not getting in my car!

Onto the laced weed: I’m very interested to learn the results of that testing. I do know it happens, but as an admitted smoker for over two decades before I quit, I never heard of it happening, knew anyone it happened to (stoners tend to socialize with other stoners), nor did anyone I knew who smoked and had friends who smoked ever have it happen. I admit it was awhile ago I quit, so maybe it just wasn’t that prevalent, I don’t know. It’s a different world today for sure.

I wonder if the weed was laced, how long would the effects last? Assuming he stripped down from that and not injury, would it have affected JL for an hour? Two hours? Assuming it, or the behaviors it caused didn’t lead him to do something that would cause him to do something SO crazy that death resulted, and it wore off, was he already hypothermic and unable to find his way to help?

Sorry for the long post. Brain is spinning. All speculation, what if’s, and MOO.

It is possible he got further because they were searching for a person with injuries who would not have got far.
BUT-if you look at this photograph and see the location of his backpack on the road and on a little further are his clothes. This suggests a gradual weakening or possibility of over heating progressively.
He'd managed to walk 900 feet before he started unloading..https://www.facebook.com/Caldwell-C...16/photos/pcb.749910755634048/749900478968409

I think the starting point has to be the presser... it contains lots of information, is one of the longest I've ever read and I find it easy to forget whole chunks of it.

The hallucinogen may be one that provides additional energy to the person who takes it.
There is a possibility that he got further than the search parameters.
There was a vast area search by air and on foot but it's likely that a fingertip search was confined to a smaller area.
(I'm trying to study the presser again to see if anything else jumps out at me)
Here's the link if you fancy re-reading it
Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

 

[Limecat]

It is possible he got further because they were searching for a person with injuries who would not have got far.
BUT-if you look at this photograph and see the location of his backpack on the road and on a little further are his clothes. This suggests a gradual weakening or possibility of over heating progressively.
He'd managed to walk 900 feet before he started unloading..Facebook

I think the starting point has to be the presser... it contains lots of information, is one of the longest I've ever read and I find it easy to forget whole chunks of it.

The hallucinogen may be one that provides additional energy to the person who takes it.
There is a possibility that he got further than the search parameters.
There was a vast area search by air and on foot but it's likely that a fingertip search was confined to a smaller area.
(I'm trying to study the presser again to see if anything else jumps out at me)
Here's the link if you fancy re-reading it
Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

Thank you Kitty! I just can’t shut my mind off, and I’m following so many threads. I definitely will go back and read. I’m sure I’ve forgotten more than I remember.