AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #7

[Cardinal47]

I'm curious. Any rewards or accounts being set up?

 

[Seattle1]

Curious, where it says on the log 'advised of a possible suicide attempt' that looks as though it was made before PD or EMS arrived on scene? And then it changed to 'apparent suicide.' Perhaps that was when PD found the man unresponsive inside the doorway? Or was it before PD arrived? But I dont understand why the dispatcher first felt it was a suicide attempt. Makes me wonder what she heard in the background.
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CALLING SEVERAL MORE TIMES AND DID NOT RECEIVE AN ANSWER.
ATTEMPTED TO CALL THE LAND LINE AT THE RESIDENCE BUT THE PHONE HAS BEEN DISCONNECTED.
1:03 329 ADVISED OF A POSSIBLE SUICIDE ATTEMPT. REQUESTED ASSISTANCE FROM BARRON PD. ADVISED 656.
1:03 PAGED 501 & 1ST RESPONDERS.
1:04 329 REQUESTED TO HAVE EMS STAGE. PAGED EMS FOR AN APPARENT SUICIDE.

See bolded post above:
1) Dispatch called several more times and did not received an answer (i.e., possible that residents are dead by suicide or other);
2)Officer badge #329 ADVISED [Dispatch] OF POSSIBLE SUICIDE ATTEMPT;
3)Officer badge #329 REQUESTED EMS STAGE;
4) Either Officer badge #329 PAGED EMS FOR AN APPARENT SUICIDE, or Dispatch paged for same -- not clear here;
5) I believe it's more likely that Dispatch paged EMS for AN APPARENT SUICIDE per communication with Officer #329.
MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

<modsnip - telling how to post>I personally don’t think the frequent mention of 100 is pertinant, but there has been precious little new info and it’s one of the few fresh observations based on facts that I’ve seen on here in recent days. <modsnip - telling how to post>

There are whack-jobs out there that do whacky things and think whacky thoughts. ES was alive, wearing a veil and camping in the woods w/abducter’s. CW dumped his babies in two oil tanks. THE dC sniper indeed had “language” the FBI needed to use to communicate w/him. Speculated in advance, all of these would have seemed way, way out there to me.

Because we have so little information there have been lots of repeated thoughts on this thread—some theories repeated 50+ times. Nothing wrong w/that but I for one applaud anyone who floats a new theory or observation especially when based on facts, as this poster did. New ideas can spring other new ideas, and in a case like this IMO that’s a good thing.

Of course different theories are a good thing. But I don't see any facts that indicate LE trying to send a message to the public based on the number 100. It just doesn't sound plausible. Jmo

 

[SharonNeedles]

That is the neighbors house. Google plots to the wrong house unless you put it in as a Hwy 8 address instead of 13 1/2 Ave address. We don't know why, but it's led to some posters considering a "wrong house" theory.

That makes a bit of sense... as somebody who actually lives at an address that every gps gets wrong I can see the possibility. If I give you my address and you decide to come TP my house tonight I’ll sit back and laugh as the guy a block and a half away from me gets TP’d again. Yes, it really happened.

 

[Andreee]

I was telling my neighbor about the case and that's the first thing he mentioned.[/QU

That's an interesting observation. Stranger things have happened.[/QU

Very interesting.

 

[thesnowflakesparkles]

Thank you very much for posting call log...very interesting to see in native form. Terribly sorry if I missed this...has someone mapped where the police station is in perspective to the Closs house in perspective to the casino? TIA

I made a map with the Closs house, the Casino, Jayme's school, Jennie-O, and the Sheriff's office. Are there any other places to include?

This is the first map I have made, let me know if something is wrong.

Note: street view of Closs house on Google maps is incorrect as many have noted, and possibly speculated could have led to a "wrong house" situation.

Google Maps

Edit: Apparently this map shows the house correctly on street view when you click on the dropped pin but lists the address at 1271.

 

[human]

Although many in the area have little money , there are lots of people from Chicago and Minneapolis and other places that have very expensive summer homes in the area.

The homes may have been locked up for the winter. If someone wanted to do a burglary, they would be much better off to steal from one of them.

It doesn’t sound like stealing was the focus . To choose a home that is so modest makes no sense unless the family was known to have painkiller prescriptions. That is possible with the work that sounds backbreaking at the plant

 

[pepper 34]

Although I know there has been no evidence that either of the Closs's gambled, but what if one or the other had won a large jackpot recently and someone had seen them leave with the cash and followed them home. Just a WHAT IF thought I had. Jayme was taken because she could ID them or a vehicle??? I know it's a stretch, but what isn't at this point?

I think the father went to work that day while Jayme and her mother went to the family get together. I also thought of your idea. Maybe he left work and stopped somewhere before coming home. For some reason... someone saw his money as he paid for something or someone became angry at him for some reason (example, he cut someone off) or he won a jackpot at the casino... so, for some reason, he was followed home. I have other theories, too, but I have considered the one you mention.

 

[nwmouse]

I made a map with the Closs house, the Casino, Jayme's school, Jennie-O, and the Sheriff's office. Are there any other places to include?

This is the first map I have made, let me know if something is wrong.

Note: street view of Closs house on Google maps is incorrect as many have noted, and possibly speculated could have led to a "wrong house" situation.

Google Maps

Thanks so much for doing that!

 

[Seattle1]

Apparently then I was looking at the neighbor’s house. Now I see why they wouldn’t hear much, not nearly as close as I thought they were.

Brilliant - thanks for aerial!

 

[Jethro4WS]

Barring the obvious, what's the one thing you'd like to know to help solve this case?

To be able to hear the actual 911 call.

 

[KLM6]

I can try.

One thing we have to keep in mind from the 911 call log is that different pieces of the earliest information came from three different officers on scene within two minutes. These are the three officers initially dispatched to the 911 hangup call.

The three officers dispatched are mentioned in the second entry of the call log.
(I am using this call log reference - 911 logs from night of homicide in Barron County, call made from Denise’s phone)

PINGED TO THE ABOVE ADDRESS. ADVISED 317, 325, & 329.


1:03 329 ADVISED OF A POSSIBLE SUICIDE ATTEMPT. REQUESTED ASSISTANCE FROM BARRON PD. ADVISED 656.

1:03 PAGED 501 & 1ST RESPONDERS.

1:04 329 REQUESTED TO HAVE EMS STAGE. PAGED EMS FOR AN APPARENT SUICIDE.

[118 – 10/15/2018 01:04:17] 325 ADVISED ONE MALE DOWN, MULTIPLE ROUNDS SPENT. REQUESTED THAT ADMIN BE NOTIFIED.

[115 – 10/15/2018 01:05:19] 317 REQUESTED ERT BE PAGED OUT. ADVISED THE DOOR HAS BEEN KICKED IN. ADVISED THAT THE MALE WHO IS DOWN HAD ANSWERED THE DOOR. UNKNOWN IF ANYONE IS MISSING.

SENT ERT PAGE.

Each officer was doing slightly different things and 329 seems to be the first in or the first to speak to 911 but didn't make any mention of a male down or door kicked in. The only way 329 could even ascertain a possible suicide attempt is if he could see the person or perhaps significant amounts of blood. But 329 doesn't mention specifics other than a working assumption of the situation. His requests from there to have EMS Stage out is typical protocol in such situations to make sure the scene is safe/secured for EMS to get to the patient. Officer 325 adds the detail of a male being down and indicates spent rounds. Clearly, he has to have seen both the body and the rounds.

The pertinent part to your questions comes stems from what 317 told the 911 dispatch. He first requests the Emergency Response Team. Then mentions the door has been kicked in. This leaves the open question of whether or not the door had already been kicked in when they got there or whether law enforcement forced that door. He advises that the male who is down answered the door. That could be taken to me that the male opened the door, however, that would contradict it being kicked in and what the Sheriff saying earlier and throughout the week that both the mother and father were already deceased when officers arrived on scene. So it is more likely 317's working assumption based on where Jayme's father's body was in relation to the door, its position i.e. which direction his head or feet were, etc. And finally, 317 advises that it is unknown if anyone is missing. It is unclear whether or not the 3 officers dispatched were made aware that the call came from Denise's phone (or more likely told the call trace comes back to a Denise Closs) but if they were they should have known that there should be a Denise somewhere in the house or nearby if she had fled but they had not yet gone through the house to clear it. It would be obvious that there was a child that lived in the house and they would have discovered that during the clearing operation. And the drone request a little later on was either because they thought the shooter may still be nearby or they were already aware a child was not accounted for.

What isn't clear is whether 329 had entered the house at the time of his initial advisement to the 911 dispatcher or was observing from outside before entering. Law enforcement doesn't just charge into an unknown situation because there could be an ambush or an armed person so I expect that the first officers would have attempted to get a visual of what was going on in the house before entering. One of them may have gone to the other door off the deck on the right-hand (east) side of the house or looked through any windows. Probably did so, more likely than not.

None of the officers per the 911 call log indicate the position of the male body only the interpretation that the "male had answered the door".

The Sheriff had previously said ...
(I am using a WEAU source because they have one page with all of their previous stories on it all as one page)
UPDATE: Sheriff: Missing girl was in home at the time of the murders



The Sheriff is speaking about this later in the same day this happened. This could be only his interpretation at the time or he may have had a very good understanding of what officers had seen upon arrival from talking with them and debriefing them. But he is clearly saying the door was already open when officers arrived. This would seem to indicate that the door must have been kicked in prior to officers arriving. The 911 call log isn't out yet so we don't yet know of the door being kicked in though analysis of photos and screenshots/frame from media video indicate some damage to the door jamb and the boarding up of the lower part of the door area.

Today a reporter apparently spoke or e-mailed or chatted with the Sheriff regarding the the door.
Clarification: Chilling details revealed in dispatch record

In the story we are told ...


And, just like that, the Sheriff muddied the waters. Reading the call log, it is entirely possible that any of the officers could have kicked in the door but whether they did or not is unknown. If they did, it calls into question previous statements made by the Sheriff. If they didn't then why not simply say so.

Don't know if this helped.

Wow. Yes it did. Thank you! And thank you for taking the time to put all that together! It will be a good reference for many, Im sure.

 

[cluciano63]

I feel like the perp went there when he knew the parents would be home, as it was his intent to kill them and not to leave without Jayme. I have read that she was seldom, if ever alone, that her mother went with her on social outings, etc...(no link but it is here in an article, referenced skating as an example I think) so he would have little other opportunity. Not saying Jayme knew him, his intentions or anything else but this is my opinion at this point, with such minimal information.

It also fits with assuming she was there when it all happened and that LE seems to believe she is alive. It fits, to me, the little we have heard from police. But I do not know if LE believes this theory (obviously) or if they have any specific theory at all. After Mollie’s murder, as well as other cases, I tend not to assume that LE knows a lot more than they are saying. Yes, they know more, but not necessarily a motive, or who the suspect might be. What they do know may be more a matter of ruling certain scenarios and people out. All JMO.

 

[Alethea]

I see. I wonder why.

This has happened to me in my own neighborhood. We theorized that google maps may use property lines to draw out the maps and if the house is not centered in the parcel of property, the pin may be wrong. My "house" shows as trees in the middle of our property, not where our driveway is. In less populated areas they may not check or confirm as carefully as very populated ones.

 

[kas]

I'm leaning towards him being dead on arrival by LE, per the sheriff's office.
MOO.

Haha that's fine. My reply wasn't anything against you. I was just getting a lot of the same replies and wanted to write it once instead of over and over to each person. This case is just so all over the place..... who knows what the truth is going to end up being!

 

[pinkfly]

I wonder if that neighbor is aware that they come up in a map search and how freaked out that might make them.

 

[Colorado303]

People are free to speculate and theorize on what happened in a crime all they want. But stating as fact that the FBI uses numerology is going to need a link to support the statement.

I’m not arguing there shouldn’t be a link, but I think the point is not that the FBI is into numerology but that the perp or suspected perp might be into numerology (or the # 100) and the FBI is using that knowledge to try to communicate/appeal to them. I don’t have a link but I know in the DC Sniper case (and I believe others) public statements made by Feds were specifically worded to communicate something else to the un sub.

And for the record, I personally don’t think 100 means anything.

 

[Wrenny]

Looking at the door frame on the handle side, we can clearly see damage to the frame...
[...]
The 911 call was placed at roughly 1 am. LE arrived at the house 4 minutes after that call. Jayme and the suspects are gone.

The damage visible in the photo is to the door, not to the frame.

Though we keep focusing on 4 minutes, the 911 call came in at 00:53:26 and the first officer arrived at 01:00:29. So it was actually 7 minutes.

 

[Mom24]

Thank you very much for posting call log...very interesting to see in native form. Terribly sorry if I missed this...has someone mapped where the police station is in perspective to the Closs house in perspective to the casino? TIA

So from the call log it looks like the police arrived at the Closs house at 1:05. The neighbor reported hearing shots fired at 12:30.

 

[lex8396]

Yes. I did the same thing when I originally looked up the house/address. I have been wondering if the perp(s) got the wrong house. Maybe the "unrelated" nearby crime is tangentially related. Although this would not account for the abduction of Jayme.

Maybe if they got the wrong house, they were not expecting a child to be there.....and figured they would take her with and drop her off somewhere else........
wonder if law enforcement is aware of the Google maps issue.......