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That's why I have a dedicated (stealth) social media account for cases such as these. There is a wealth of information on these individual's personal accounts.
Folks who are not on social media miss out on not just the posting but the many, many comments under the MSM accounts' social media posts.
Just sayin.'
That could be. I’ve been looking for the interview but I haven’t been able to locate it. The interview was either the evening the children were found or the next day. I thought he said he was an administrator from
Rexburg Schools and they were standing beside the fence outside of the Daybell home. He said JJ only attended the school for a very short time before LV unenrolled him.
JMO
BBM. A while ago a VI (@Randocalrissian) described Chad's behavior:Thanks for this. Some interesting tidbits here, with a useful description of the social and fringe religious milieu that CD moved in, the readings/events complete with a cohort of female followers and the brief mention of CD at Tammy's funeral, modelling real emotion while simultaneously moving onto the next stage of his plan. Interesting also that the refrain of his "charisma" is very much in the context of his framing and speaking about his visions and end-times thinking. His appeal may have been exclusively in this domain and context, IMO.
Probably the incident when she trespassed? Maybe?Anybody know what #17 means Henderson police department incident? Thanks
No @Gardener1850 brought it up earlier. That was a different county.Probably the incident when she trespassed? Maybe?
My first inclination was c’mon—that’s something you’d see on Criminal Minds or a particularly bad Lifetime Movie . But that’s the reaction I would have had if someone suggested he buried murdered children in his own backyard.RSBM for focus
This is an important question. I speculated in another post a couple days ago that it seems unlikely that he went from using his "visions" to stop Tammy from binge-playing Frontierville in 2011 all the way to using them to pretext a murder in 2019, without some stops in between. Not just 1 murder but 3-5 murders. It does make you wonder if he had tried to kill Tammy before, or maybe even successfully killed someone else (another affair partner?) earlier on, which helped him work up his courage and then he began laying the groundwork for Tammy's murder in 2016-2019.
Yes I did notice which is why I said wondering. When you talked about a doctrine then that is your own personal doctrine? Doesn't matter about the link as you did post as opinion but sometimes it helps to know what that is based on, such as an established doctrine of the church. Clearly that's not what you meant though.Please notice the statement IMO, 'In my opinion'.
But, Lori changed in the last year - dramatically changed, according to her husband. So, longtime friends and those not recently in touch might not be as significant as a newcomer who had majority contact with her in the past year.Right, and MG agreed that she probably knew both CD and LV better than anyone else. I, too, noticed that MG had only known LV for the better part of a year, when things went from bad to worse. You really don't know someone better than anyone else if you've only known them a year. That's a limited friendship at best.
There were 2 incidents IIRC. What state is Henderson?No @Gardener1850 brought it up earlier. That was a different county.
If you think about it, Chad’s predictions might come true. If found guilty, it’s the end of the world as they know it!!
And to think that post was in February. What must it be like for his former friends now?BBM. A while ago a VI (@Randocalrissian) described Chad's behavior:
"The strange things he said to me and I watched him do at the funeral and burial, and his immediate behavior the following day at and after the memorial service, and then everything else he did that has since come out..."
Found Deceased - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #14
Nevada I believe?There were 2 incidents IIRC. What state is Henderson?
Letter? Where?About MG, I agree that she isn’t an out and out liar, like Chad, Lori and MP seem to be.
It looks like she’s gradually admitting to herself the horrors of what she got into. She gave her mind and spirit to a devilish ring of murderers. Think about how hard it would be to admit that to yourself.
On top of that, she took part in the dishonest sliming of Charles. She might not have known that Lori was an inveterate liar, but MG did go to that conference with the cops, the one that included Tylee, which is also beyond insane.
But here’s the thing if you’re MG. You saw Charles get murdered after Chad lied about him being a zombie. After Lori was disappointed that Charles didn’t die of natural causes. You saw that they murdered Charles. And you didn’t say anything to the cops even though you know Chad and Lori also thought Tylee and JJ were zombies. Then Tylee gets murdered. JJ gets murdered. You realize that you could’ve stopped it if you said something, if you said “they murdered Charles, they need to be stopped.”
At some level, MG must realize this. That’s a terrifying realization.
And I think in some ways it explains her behavior.
Finally, she needs some kind of professional help. Whatever personality attribute that let her let herself get sucked into this insanity is still within her. You can kinda see that in her most recent letter, which vacillates between admission of the horrors and the religious responsibility shifting.
Very good post. MG is still in denial that any of this blame can be placed upon her for not coming forward sooner. She is denying any responsibility and she needs help.About MG, I agree that she isn’t an out and out liar, like Chad, Lori and MP seem to be.
It looks like she’s gradually admitting to herself the horrors of what she got into. She gave her mind and spirit to a devilish ring of murderers. Think about how hard it would be to admit that to yourself.
On top of that, she took part in the dishonest sliming of Charles. She might not have known that Lori was an inveterate liar, but MG did go to that conference with the cops, the one that included Tylee, which is also beyond insane.
But here’s the thing if you’re MG. You saw Charles get murdered after Chad lied about him being a zombie. After Lori was disappointed that Charles didn’t die of natural causes. You saw that they murdered Charles. And you didn’t say anything to the cops even though you know Chad and Lori also thought Tylee and JJ were zombies. Then Tylee gets murdered. JJ gets murdered. You realize that you could’ve stopped it if you said something, if you said “they murdered Charles, they need to be stopped.”
At some level, MG must realize this. That’s a terrifying realization.
And I think in some ways it explains her behavior.
Finally, she needs some kind of professional help. Whatever personality attribute that let her let herself get sucked into this insanity is still within her. You can kinda see that in her most recent letter, which vacillates between admission of the horrors and the religious responsibility shifting.
It’s not that she’s lying— She’s just incredibly, freakishly gullible. She swallowed everything Lori fed to her hook, line and sinker yet I’m not convinced she’s as “in the know” as she thinks she is. Case in point— the dead children in the Daybell yard.
IMO MG’s that girlfriend Lori would go to w/gripes about kids (and ex/dead husbands), share exciting affair secrets and ponder the universe with. MG would enthusiastically validate whatever Lori was thinking at the time.
Many of us have had friends like this. But if you’re starting a company, they aren’t necessarily someone you’d want on your Board of Directors.
ETA MOO
On the other hand it appears that MG is not beating herself up too much over what she could have done but didn't. She seems resigned to the fact that she can't change the past. She's not even really mad at Chad and Lori. It's the beliefs that she finds dangerous.About MG, I agree that she isn’t an out and out liar, like Chad, Lori and MP seem to be.
It looks like she’s gradually admitting to herself the horrors of what she got into. She gave her mind and spirit to a devilish ring of murderers. Think about how hard it would be to admit that to yourself.
On top of that, she took part in the dishonest sliming of Charles. She might not have known that Lori was an inveterate liar, but MG did go to that conference with the cops, the one that included Tylee, which is also beyond insane.
But here’s the thing if you’re MG. You saw Charles get murdered after Chad lied about him being a zombie. After Lori was disappointed that Charles didn’t die of natural causes. You saw that they murdered Charles. And you didn’t say anything to the cops even though you know Chad and Lori also thought Tylee and JJ were zombies. Then Tylee gets murdered. JJ gets murdered. You realize that you could’ve stopped it if you said something, if you said “they murdered Charles, they need to be stopped.”
At some level, MG must realize this. That’s a terrifying realization.
And I think in some ways it explains her behavior.
Finally, she needs some kind of professional help. Whatever personality attribute that let her let herself get sucked into this insanity is still within her. You can kinda see that in her most recent letter, which vacillates between admission of the horrors and the religious responsibility shifting.
Good clip to watch (and in general not a fan of NG).SEE IT: ‘Cult mom’ husband Chad Daybell made advances to a married woman before meeting Lori Vallow, former friend tells Nancy Grace
Rowe told Grace that there was another woman in Arizona before Lori Vallow whom Chad had been texting. That went haywire when the woman’s husband intercepted the texts and told Daybell he’d go public with them if Daybell didn’t leave his wife alone.
Rowe, who said Daybell had also made sexual advances toward her, said that as far as she knew, she and the Arizona woman were the only people Daybell told about a vision he said he’d had of Tammy’s death.