Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #90

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  1. Howcanppldosuch

    Howcanppldosuch Well-Known Member

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    You want to know what we know—- media guy, possibly? Just thinking out loud
     
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  2. CSIDreamer

    CSIDreamer Well-Known Member

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    I really think our habits have changed to the point we don't even know our neighbors any more. Two income families. Online on phones the rest of the time. At least that's how I feel. I think people with children in school are more likely to connect. That's what I see where I live.
     
  3. Bellecent

    Bellecent Active Member

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    I also grew up in a small town in Ohio where in the last few years a horrific abduction/ murder occurred. The perp did live close by and had a previous conviction for abduction. If he is close to 30 I will bet he has had some run ins with LE. Question? Did Abby and Libby go to this place often? Were they just in the wrong place with this person or did he stalk them out?
     
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  4. LunaticFringe

    LunaticFringe I know you're out there...

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    Just out of curiosity..are we going to have 50 pages of the use of the term "guys" and who,why and where it's used? I just can't................
     
  5. Evergreen1

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    Same guy, the new sketch is thought to be a better representation of what he looks like. The video never us much in terms of facial details, so I’m not sure if we can say the original sketch looked more like the video. I don’t think they want the public to discount anything, but to keep in mind that his gait was impacted by the fact that he was stepping over railroad ties.
     
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    The reference to the book/movie The Shack is interesting...
    I wonder if perhaps the killer was quoting phrases from the Book at the crime scene while Libby’s phone was still recording and they recently figured out that that is where they came from and are letting the killer know that they know this.
    As well, maybe the killer gave this book to a family member after the murders. I say this, because after my stepdaughter’s murder 11 years ago someone gave us this book as a means to try to come to terms with the murder. Maybe the police know exactly who gave a family member this book, maybe it was extremely out of character and the family reported this to LE that it was strange, maybe this person also looks just like the sketch... maybe LE knows exactly who this person is...but all the evidence so far is circumstantial and they want to make sure they have absolute concrete evidence so they can ensure a guilty verdict. Just musing about The Shack reference...it and the mention of the parked car is likely directed to the killer to let them know that they do have all this circumstantial evidence and that they know exactly who they are.
    Just some musings..
     
  7. apples12

    apples12 Well-Known Member

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    I believe that you and I suspect the same thing. Some college aged kid with a difficult past and history of being bullied by kids at the age of 13 or 14. Religious.
     
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  8. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 Well-Known Member

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    Yet, in the article yesterday they said that the second sketch we just saw was made three days after the Murder by one of the police department guys. They even stated his name. He did the second sketch, another person did the others first sketch. It is not a new sketch, it is not a sketch that was done after a parabon either.
     
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    We dont know they havent done just that. Still may not have found anyone that would help them know who the killer is.

    Imo they do have DNA from the killer, but of course LE doesnt want the suspect to know they have it. Even the family has been told they do have his DNA.

    So far they havent found anyway to match his DNA.

    But once he is arrested the first thing they will do is go to a judge for a SW so they can take his DNA, and possibly head, and pubic hairs.

    I suspect he may be on the younger side of the age scale, and may have never had any reason to give his DNA.

    Imo
     
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  10. JnRyan

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    I believe LE's statement on the car was poorly worded. I had a difficult time trying to determine if Carter meant it was an abandoned car OR was it was a car parked near an abandoned building. One news site showed a map and indicated an address on West 300 N (6814?). Also I believe he stated the building was the 'old' DPS/CPS building on W 300 near the Hoosier Heartland Hwy. If you do a Google search you find the DPS/CPS (IN Dept of Protective Services/Child Protective Services) is not at that location but in downtown Delphi and nowhere near the trail. If this address on W 300 is correct it is right across from the trailhead. A car parked in front an abandoned building might stick out to those driving by.
    But, yes, ALL of this seems odd to me as well.
     
  11. Howcanppldosuch

    Howcanppldosuch Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the two week thing was really a subtitle message to shake the perp... u got 2 weeks man!
     
  12. sunsetbeach

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    I think it’s the sketch. Maybe BG is closer than we all think and maybe someone has given him an alibi? Maybe BG or someone close to him knows there was a second sketch and it looked more like him than the first sketch.
    Maybe he thought they would never use that sketch because it might be a total embarrassment to LE because it’s so different from the first? It took them over two years to make the decision to show that sketch. Maybe that’s the different investigative strategy? An eyewitness gave that info and disagreed with the sketch that was released so maybe that was known around town?
     
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    I agree with you regarding spotting BG in the crowd. Looking at some pictures posted on Twitter there is one person who does appear to look like the new sketch. IMO.
     
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    Born in the Midwest, here. My siblings and I, born in the early 60s through early 70s all use “you guys.” And often.
     
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    I really feel like the perp is a conforter type that maybe told someone about the movie to comfort them
     
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    A couple of things come to mind. I live in a very small rural community. As I drive around town I notice things. Like a car parked in a certain spot that seems outta place. Part of this observation is due to being on WEBSLEUTHS and self-awareness. I don’t find it hard to believe that someone would recall the parked car that is being discussed. But that’s me.

    Also a question for @mtnlites. I am intrigued by your local knowledge. With the release of the new sketch - do you believe it’s clear enough that someone would recognize that person? Would your relatives be familiar enough with the folks who live in Delphi to put a name with a face?
     
  17. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    I'm sure everyone in that room were side eying each other. It would be so uncomfortable for even an innocent person, I'm sure if the perp was there he was sweating bullets when they pulled off that red canvas MOO
     
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    It looks that way. :)
     
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  19. Lewie

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    It makes sense to me that a teacher, or perhaps a coach or church member as others have mentioned, would have overheard their plans for their day off.
    Could he have done/said something creepy to one of the girls, heard them discussing reporting him, and decided they both had to go?
    If it were a family member (and I can’t imagine they could’ve hidden in plain sight this long), you’d think one family would’ve emerged looing a lot more disgusted than the other. Granted, I haven’t seen footage to say either way.
     
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  20. TL4S

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    What makes me curious whether the PC was a plea to a particular person, who might know something, were some of the various things LE said: (paraphrasing) "we've talked to you or someone you know," "we have a witness," "you've told somebody," "what will those closest to you think of you," and " the driver or owner of a car parked in front of abandoned building." The "coward" comment was said so softly and quickly that it expressed sickness more than taunting, IMO, and talking about the way the girls were left...the killer knows how the hell he left them. But someone who is covering for him needs to be reminded, over and over, what he's done. He's not worth covering for. I'm wondering if they've been talking to somebody who they think is lying. They remind this person that they are not the responsible party - there was only one killer. All JMO.

    On another note, I think the video of BG looks like he has about three shirts on, one with a hood up around his neck. Instead of the heavier set chin and neck like in the old sketch, maybe it's a collar/hood we're seeing covering the lower half of his face. And a baseball hat. It's really hard to see.
     
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