17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #8

[LolaMoon08]

Come on Doc, wouldn't you be looking for protection if the MILITANT black panthers had a 10,000 bounty on your head and Spike Lee is trying to find your address so he can tweet it to thousands of nutjobs looking to make some quick money?

I sure would, license to carry or not - I would definitely be packing major heat if I were him.

If I am not mistaken, this happened before this even made it to the news? According to the friend, Zimmerman thought it would all just "blow over" and he was in the clear.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Come on Doc, wouldn't you be looking for protection if the MILITANT black panthers had a 10,000 bounty on your head and Spike Lee is trying to find your address so he can tweet it to thousands of nutjobs looking to make some quick money?

I sure would, license to carry or not - I would definitely be packing major heat if I were him.

No kidding and add to that all his supporters screaming for a new picture other then his 7 yr old mugshot of what he looks like now and posting it all over the web. LOL :floorlaugh:

 

[LambChop]

Sorry, but let's just think about who is dead and who had the gun and who was just walking home from the store. Seems simple to me.

Thank God we have the 911 tapes. I hope the Feds won't let those suddenly go "poof." Otherwise we would have a rewrite of recent history like the world has never seen. :twocents:.

This may have been posted, but here it is anyway - blog about Trayvon with satellite pictures, etc.
http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012/3/22/the-tragedy-of-trayvon-martin.html

I was talking about TM, as in victum.

 

[JeannaT]

I'm also bothered by the fact that GZ, arrested in the past and has had charges against him in the past BUT when it gets to the judicial level the charges are dropped. No one seems to think that this isn't suspicious. I know people believe they have guardian angels but this one appears to be still earthbound. I think there is a lot under that lumpy rug. jmo

It's not suspicious. This is what happens in cases where the offense is very minor - as I remember, he shoved an officer's hand while the officer was arresting his friend for DWI.

No municipality wants to pay for a full blown jury trial in a case like that, so in order for the court to get the perp to waive their right to a trial by jury, they greatly lessen the sentence. In GZ's case, he was "rehabbed" in a youthful offender program which usually requires he be arrest free, take a bunch of classes, participate in the court system, get drug screenings, etc. for a period of time before the charges are not prosecuted.

 

[cityslick]

But, but, but...he is a killer. He killed someone. That is the definition of killer. He said " I shot him."Trayvon Marin lay dead of that gunshot wound. He was KILLED George Martin KILLED him. That does in fact make him a KILLER. It has not yet been determined if he can be held legally culpable of a crime in killing Trayvon Martin, but whether he did it is not in contention. I have not called George Martin a bigot, a racist or any of those things, although I may have opinions about the subjects. I do feel perfectly comfortable calling him what he has demonstrably been, a killer.
Moo

If someone breaks into your home and rapes your daughter and you shoot them, are you content with also being called a killer the rest of your days?

 

[mikeysmommom]

http://thehill.com/video/house/2186...vidence-death-of-trayvon-martin-a-hate-crime-

“If you go with what was reported in the press the first night, there would have been an arrest right away, but obviously something gave investigators pause,” said a source in the Seminole State Attorney’s office who did not want to speak publicly, because the case is now assigned to a different prosecutor. “We get capias warrants all the time. That doesn’t mean we file charges right away. We investigate to see if it’s appropriate. That’s the responsible thing to do.’’

IIRC Last night someone posted a link from first article that came out right after this happened.That reporter stated TM was shot and killed at the 7 11 by an armed assailant after he came out of the 7 11 with his ice cream and skittles.Story was given to the reporter by TM'S uncle who lived with him.Maybe this is the news report the above link is talking about?

 

[tehcloser]

GZ was not following him. There is no evidence for this. That is a lie by the media. When the fact is GZ was told it was unnecessary to for him to follow TM and he said okay, then stayed on the line to tell police where to meet him. I've listened to the full 911 audio and this is the fact that it doesn't appear he was even remotely running after him at all.

The media coverage has been despicable to the extreme. TM was targeted by a white man GZ for wearing a a hoodie, started a fight and murdered him. Lie

GZ was not arrested because they're also racists or they used the stand your ground law. Another lie. (Actually he was arrested)

They painted Trayvon a saint and GZ a devil which is all irrelevant if they cared at all about accuracy. But instead they tell everyone how GZ is a racist pig while TM was some great kid with no suspicious behavior.

BBM

GZ in his own words said he was following him on the 911 tape.............:banghead:

 

[m00c0w]

I'm also bothered by the fact that GZ, arrested in the past and has had charges against him in the past BUT when it gets to the judicial level the charges are dropped. No one seems to think that this isn't suspicious. I know people believe they have guardian angels but this one appears to be still earthbound. I think there is a lot under that lumpy rug. jmo

There's nothing weird about it. The only crime he was charged with was dropped because he went through a standard pre-trial diversion program. The domestic abuse allegations were just that. The fiancée filed a petition, they had a hearing, and the judge essentially told them to stay away from each other. It seemed like a pretty bad relationship on both sides. Nothing just up and vanished; there are legitimate reasons why he was never convicted of anything.

 

[LambChop]

No kidding and add to that all his supporters screaming for a new picture other then his 7 yr old mugshot of what he looks like now and posting it all over the web. LOL :floorlaugh:

OMG..I never gave that a thought. What were they thinking????

 

[Sensei]

Actually, if proven he did use a racial slur, ZIMMERMAN could be accused of a hate crime.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92644&page=1

Was Racial Slur Anger or Hate Crime?

I hope that if any such thing happens that they can prove it 100%

I do not think that this was a racial thing from GZ, I can aquit him of that, but I do believe that he was hypervigilant and wanting to do the job of the LE officers just too much, he wanted to impress them and capture this kid and take him down, and made really bad judgement calls and it went really bad really fast and I think he needs to face the music for his bad judgement through the legal system.

 

[LolaMoon08]

If someone breaks into your home and rapes your daughter and you shoot them, are you content with also being called a killer the rest of your days?

Are you seriously going to compare what happened to Trayvon to what would happen to someone who broke into a home and raped someone's daughter?

 

[tehcloser]

If someone breaks into your home and rapes your daughter and you shoot them, are you content with also being called a killer the rest of your days?

Apples and oranges..................

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Asking for a complete, thorough, and fair investigation and/or demanding the arrest of a killer is hardly a witch hunt.

JMO MOO IMO

It's not only those things.

It's bounty's on GZ's capture, tweeted addresses...

IMO it's a witch hunt.

He's in hiding. His family is getting death threats. Old people are having to move away from their homes. High school kids are destroying a Wal-Greens.
Senators are making non-true statements about GZ chasing TM down, tackling him, and shooting him. Congressmen are wearing hoodies to the congress floor.

It's out of control.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

GZ was not following him. There is no evidence for this. That is a lie by the media. When the fact is GZ was told it was unnecessary to for him to follow TM and he said okay, then stayed on the line to tell police where to meet him. I've listened to the full 911 audio and this is the fact that it doesn't appear he was even remotely running after him at all.

The media coverage has been despicable to the extreme. TM was targeted by a white man GZ for wearing a a hoodie, started a fight and murdered him. Lie

GZ was not arrested because they're also racists or they used the stand your ground law. Another lie. (Actually he was arrested)

They painted Trayvon a saint and GZ a devil which is all irrelevant if they cared at all about accuracy. But instead they tell everyone how GZ is a racist pig while TM was some great kid with no suspicious behavior.

Only partially true. Zimmerman told them to just have the police call him to find out where he was.

 

[vlpate]

Oh my word. Anyone watching CNN? Representative Corrine Brown? is being interviewed. She says Trayvon's mother said this was not about race. The mother, she said, was talking about profiling.
:waitasec:
She said no investigation had been done (she has the police reports, she says), no crime scene was established, clothes were not taken .... same thing we've heard from MEDIA and the family for two weeks. She is privy to the same information that we have, incomplete reports.

I like this anchor, she is at least asking good questions.

These congress people don't get out much, just sayin'.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Only partially true. Zimmerman told them to just have the police call him to find out where he was.

After he admitted to LE that he was following him! :banghead:

 

[gxm]

I am trying so hard to put myself in GZ's position but I can't make it out of the car. There was no reason for it. None. He wasn't getting out to "save" or "help" someone, he wasn't stopping a robbery, he saw a "suspicious" person for cripes sake! If you look around you - you can probably find one of those everywhere! He should have NEVER GOT OUT OF THE CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can't have people doing that...we just can't.

I don't think anyone disputes that TM was the victim. What is in dispute, appears (to me) to be whether GZ is a crazed vigilante racist or a concerned citizen who's actions led him into a confrontation that he could not have foreseen. (And I agree that he should have stayed in his car. IMO, what is being debated is whether not staying in his car is evidence of intent.)

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[HiHater]

GZ was not following him. There is no evidence for this. That is a lie by the media. When the fact is GZ was told it was unnecessary to for him to follow TM and he said okay, then stayed on the line to tell police where to meet him. I've listened to the full 911 audio and this is the fact that it doesn't appear he was even remotely running after him at all.

The media coverage has been despicable to the extreme. TM was targeted by a white man GZ for wearing a a hoodie, started a fight and murdered him. Lie

GZ was not arrested because they're also racists or they used the stand your ground law. Another lie. (Actually he was arrested)

They painted Trayvon a saint and GZ a devil which is all irrelevant if they cared at all about accuracy. But instead they tell everyone how GZ is a racist pig while TM was some great kid with no suspicious behavior.

How did the masses overlook the fact that GZ was arrested? Even the police have said they could not affect an arrest because there was no probable cause?

GZ never told police where to meet him. At the conclusion of that call he says for the police to call and see where he's at. That's not necessary. I'm at home right now. If someone was coming to see me, I would not tell them to "call and see where I'm at" before they come.


JMO

 

[Isabelle]

Heard Mike Galanos mention the Funeral Director for Trayvon will be on NG tonight, and will tell what he saw! I wouldn't think that information is protected.

 

[ThoughtFox]

So, if a person kills someone in self defense, they should be referred to as a killer?

If someone breaks into my house and goes after my daughter, and I shoot them, it's perfectly ok for the world to refer to me as (not a victim) but "the killer".

I have a hard time with that.

Yes, going by the definition, I would be a killer, but referring to me as the killer is a bit different.

Trayvon wasn't inside anybody's house. Zimmerman followed him. His words are on the 911 tape clear as a bell.

If Zimmerman has the right to "stand and fight," then so does an unarmed 17-year-old boy.

People refer to Zimmerman as a killer because he killed Trayvon with a gun. The kid is dead, and we haven't seen any evidence of the so-called beating that Zimmerman says he received from Trayvon because police didn't take any pictures of Zimmerman and he refused medical treatment. Supposedly Zimmerman went to the doctor the next day, so I'm waiting for a medical report before I just take his word for it.

If GZ shot that gun in self defense, I would never refer to him as a killer. I would refer to him as the victim.

That's your choice, but there are other opinions just as valid from what we know. :cow: Just my opinion.