The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 2nd July - Trial Day 14, Week 3

[Liadan]

:floorlaugh: Thanks Trooper. Need a bit of humour IMO.

:scared: hahahahahaha

 

[Trooper]

But is there a crime scene? And if so where is it? These are questions that will be put to the jury during closing arguments. I want to see justice for Allison and her family as much as anyone (justice in whatever way that may be) but unfortunately I cannot be as confident as you.

according to the charges, there are two crime scenes.. one for each charge.. and it is significant in the extreme that there are two differing locations..

murder.... at Brookfield, at her residence.

interfering with a corpse.... at the Kholo bridge..

 

[Onlyone]

If Allison put the charger on at (almost) 2am, then immediately left.
She would be walking the 15km in pitch dark (no street lights) to Kholo Bridge - walking at say 5km an hour she would have got there at 5am - just a traffic is building & it's getting light yet no- one saw her.
So no, I don't believe she walked there to kill herself or die of hypothermia.

 

[Helen-Lou]

Omg I hope the jury sees GBC for who he really is...can't believe how stupid he was to take the stand...like I said before he has not once pleaded for the police to find her true killer if it wasn't him...and his parents and sister smiling to the cameras during the trial...:sick::sick: speaks volumes...

 

[Cattail]

Some thoughts from court this morning ...

Quotes of the day:
Todd Fuller: "You killed your wife, Mr Baden-Clay." There it was. Put to GBC at last.
Todd Fuller: “If TMcH confronted Allison at the conference the façade that was GBC would fall.”
GBC: “Some of the things I said and did were pretty naïve and pretty stupid.”

Some general observations:
It was a very different GBC under cross-examination. He slipped-up, or came close to slipping-up, on a number of occasions. The questioning was intense.

Todd Fuller is brilliant. His strategy of mixing it up has kept GBC well and truly on his toes. Danny Boyle presents in a different way. His questioning of Dr Schramm was very effective – he highlighted the general nature of his “assessment” , that it was not based on firsthand knowledge of Allison and her situation, and went on to present a list of factors specific to Allison, all of which (I believe) Dr Schramm agreed would likely reduce the risk of suicide.

I believe the prosecution team is doing an awesome job. They know their stuff.

I don’t believe for a moment the defence team wanted GBC to take the stand. They are doing what they can to defend their client. I sensed an air of resignation today as they were finishing up but that may have been my imagination.

All IMHOO. :twocents:

Just in regard to GBC on the stand, many of you appear to have followed a number of cases.

In cases where the defendant doesn't take the stand, does anyone know is there any pattern of being found guilty more often? I am curious whether juries see this as an indication of guilt.

 

[Sleuthis-maximus]

Same in the Keli Lane case in NSW

The Keli Lane case while extremely tragic is very interesting from a legal perspective.

 

[Doidy]

Mr Fuller: Was she working at Raine and Horne when you were there?

Mr Baden-Clay: Yes.

Mr Fuller: So you worked for them for a time, got your experience?

Mr Baden-Clay: Correct.

Mr Fuller: And then set up right next door?

Mr Baden-Clay: Correct.

Mr Fuller: Did you sleep with Michelle Hammond while you were still working for Raine and Horne or when you set up next door?

Mr Baden-Clay: It was after I had left Raine and Horne.

Mr Fuller: So you took their business and then had an affair with one of their employers?

Mr Baden-Clay: Correct. :facepalm:

http://m.noosanews.com.au/news/baden-clay-had-wife-and-mistress-same-conference/2305340/

Go Fuller! Go Fuller!!!!!!!!

 

[Tangled_Web]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 49s
Gerard is being shown a page from Allison's journal. He is being asked what a series of numbers mean. He doesn't know. #badenclay

Is anyone able to help me understand the significance of this page being presented to GBC by defence at the end of his time on the stand this morning?

(He must be fuming that he didn't find Allison's journal under the bedside table that morning)

 

[possumheart]

During.

All I can think of is the blog.

 

[Liadan]

And wonder where Hawkins went?

Not wanting to sound harsh but shall we leave that there PH - we have some amazing new posters with good insight and a verve for Allison and who are keen to fight for her justice. I think it is Hawkins missing out not us!

 

[toe]

Her husband phoned Asteron Life Insurance on May 1, 2012, the day after Allison was found.

Mr Baden-Clay asked how he could make a claim on his wife's life insurance.


http://m.noosanews.com.au/news/baden-clay-wanted-hush-hush-over-marital-woes/2299880/




Body found in creek is Allison Baden-Clay

2 years ago May 01, 2012 6:00PM



A WOMAN'S body found on a creek bank in Brisbane's west has been identified as that of missing mum Allison Baden-Clay.

http://www.news.com.au/national/hop...d-at-kholo-creek/story-e6frfkvr-1226343535002

Thanks Amee :loveyou:

 

[possumheart]

Is anyone able to help me understand the significance of this page being presented to GBC by defence at the end of his time on the stand this morning?

(He must be fuming that he didn't find Allison's journal under the bedside table that morning)

A series of numbers could be the debt ... It it was my journal it would be the debt. I would be anxious about it, and if my partner was cool as a cucumber about it I might question if my anxiety levels were inappropriate ...

 

[marlywings]

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[JCB]

Thanks. Would be interested to hear from Alioop and also the long absent Hawkins. JCB, do you know what the difference is between unlawful killing and manslaughter?

Unlawful killing isn't an offence in itself, it's a banner (if you will) that both murder, manslaughter and one or two other offences (unrelated to this case) fall under.

according to the charges, there are two crime scenes.. one for each charge.. and it is significant in the extreme that there are two differing locations..

murder.... at Brookfield, at her residence.

interfering with a corpse.... at the Kholo bridge..

That's what the indictment says, now it's up to the jury to decide whether that is the case. Fingers crossed that the verdict is the correct one.

 

[JK673]

All I can think of is the blog.

Same here but it was in a public domain so....

 

[kiwijayne]

A series of numbers could be the debt ...

Could be dates of meetings/phone calls/texts etc between GBC and TM?

 

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My apologies.

 

[Oddsocks]

Don't know. He's weak and he's a rat. Rat's will chew off their own leg to be free. Having weighed the odds, GBC might go for a lesser charge for less time in the clink as opposed to risking a whole lot more time inside

Heeyyyy! Don't insult my fur babies please

 

[toe]

You can see here an article about the body discovery.
http://www.qt.com.au/news/body-found-mt-crosby-weir/1362605/

On 30th Apr 2012 1:05 PM they announced a body had been found at 11:00 AM

Article was Updated: 1st May 2012 8:09 AM to say it was Allison.
:dunno:
That's how I interpret it.

So maybe it is an urban myth that they claimed too soon.
:dunno:

Thanks Poss :loveyou:

 

[possumheart]

Could be dates of meetings/phone calls/texts etc between GBC and TM?

Could be dates that G and A had been intimate