Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #11

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  1. sandbar

    sandbar Well-Known Member

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    This is great. The ferry makes WAY more sense, faster, better on gas, etc. IRS, though I don't know where, that they were spotted in Yukon.
     
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  2. MistyWaters

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    I think they also might’ve thought it’d be assumed they perished in the fire, murdered by an unknown serial killer who was responsible for the other three murders. So they they fled east mistakingly believing they could start a new life all over again and nobody would ever notice. After all they were 18 and 19 year olds living in a small community, never having left home, who were obsessed with video games, stocking Walmart shelves overnight. Their world was very tiny IMO.
     
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    So then what is your opinion of where they may be or what happened to them?

    I personally believe they are dead. IMO

    P.S. I live in the northern USA and it gets very cold and snowy for 6 months of the year. Can’t imagine how it is up in those parts of Canada
     
  4. webbie

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    We're talking about 2 fugitive killers. I don't think either of them is much concerned about getting a speeding ticket or a fine for driving without a license. JMO

    Now, if you are talking about BEFORE they were suspects, that's different. In that case, they would be treated and fined the same as anybody else.
     
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    If I did then I wouldn't be wondering if it was one of those two things, which is why I said "I wonder if".
     
  6. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    Aw.... but not so tiny that they did not know burning would distract and delay the investigation.
     
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    Like Copkid, I wondered about the ferry to Prince Rupert. One would think they'd save a lot of driving time taking that ferry, and the grandma did say she last heard from BS on the 13th or 14th of July. It's a little hard to believe that they'd already been to the Yukon and rejected it only one or two days after they left, especially if they took the south ferry routes from Nanaimo or Schwartz Bay, then drove through the lower mainland, the interior of B.C. and all the way to the Yukon, and looked for work in that time, with only one driver.

    This whole story requires that everyone suspend a lot of disbelief. Maybe the secrecy is to protect witnesses along the way, given that these two are still on the loose until proven otherwise. Keeping the route secret has done nothing to prevent false sightings, with children being mistaken for 6'4" tall men. How long before every vehicle with Manitoba plates starts a flurry of reports?
     
  8. MistyWaters

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    Yes, good point, it could be B wasn’t able to pass the Q&A Learners Licence test. I know somebody who did okay at public school but had to attempt the Q&A Learners test 5 times before they achieved a passing mark. Passing it is not always a piece of cake especially as many questions pertain to driving in large major centres including traffic patterns and signs, etc totally foreign to young people living in smaller places.
     
  9. kmclaren

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    It would actually take longer and be more expensive... They would save about 11 hours of driving time but PA to Port Hardy is about 5 hours, plus wait for the ferry (they only run every couple of days) plus the actual ferry I think it's around 16 hours. Not to mention it would cost them around $800 for the vehicle and 2 passengers...
     
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  10. PNZ

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    I also read somewhere that they actually did make it to Whitehorse but it was unclear on when that was or when/why they left. I don't recall where I saw that but this article mentions it, "It is not clear why they returned to B.C."

    RCMP looking for two people after Dease Lake Homicide - Energeticcity.ca
     
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    You are very late asking these questions. If they wanted to sell stuff, including their camper or the suite, they needed to do it before becoming fugitives.

    Now they obviously can't, even if they are alive, and have split up, and have changed their looks, etc.
     
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    And they'd probably have to reserve. But to contact gran one or two days after leaving to report rejecting the Yukon? This would be the only believable explanation to gran, I would think.
     
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    @sandbar, was there a confirmed sighting in the Yukon? Can you provide a link please.
     
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    Again, having one driver with valid license was relevant before they became fugitives. BS could have shown a "learner's permit" equivalent, if he was caught driving, as long as KM had full license.
     
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    looking...
     
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    "Herb Loomba, owner of the Redford Motel in Port Alberni, said the elder Schmegelsky stayed there about once a month while visiting his son, and he last saw the teen with his dad on his graduation day, wearing a nice suit."

    bbm.

    So the suit was for graduation. And there's a good chance he didn't even take it with him, in my view.

    source: https://cfjctoday.com/2019/07/27/b-...nazi-is-more-fascinated-by-russia-dad-says-3/
     
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    I don't know if this is reliable information or not, this article says that the BS's Grandma spoke to with him over the phone on July 14 with news. "Whitehorse had been disappointing so they were moving on." I would assume that if they had called from a cell phone, there may be a way to locate where the call originated based on the cell towers? Were they calling from Yukon or from somewhere else?
    Path ‘killers’ took to murder sites
     
  18. MistyWaters

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    It depends on whether their truck was mechanically sound when it was torched or if it wasn’t, did they have their sights set on murdering the driver of a stolen vehicle and then immediately fleeing the area. The report discussed here awhile back of the possible witness in BC noting the two were seen hitchhiking in opposite directions is disturbing IMO. As it also appears they misled their families about arriving at Whitehorse, coming back in a few days when they hadn’t even arrived there (allegedly), intentional fabrication also points toward malicious criminal intent on their part. IMO

    If they’re guilty of murdering L and C, what’s a second murder to them if it nets them a vehicle. Especially if one of the two committed those murders, maybe the other was then challenged to commit a murder, blood brothers and all. :(

    It was after they were identified as suspects that a killing adventure changed into becoming wanted fugitives, something they didn’t plan. Same mistake as virtually all criminals - they never expect to get identified.
     
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    I am from the United States but have lived in Canada for over the last decade.

    I’m almost certain they are deceased!
     
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