GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #70

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  1. molly1255

    molly1255 Well-Known Member

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    It's good to hear you have taken very good steps. We do need to be able to spot red flags, and we need to also trust our instincts. We were given our instincts for very good reason.
     
  2. ZsaZsa

    ZsaZsa Well-Known Member

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    Oh yes. I am SURE there was an ultimatum, hence the immediate instruction from her to delete all contact with her from his phone.
     
  3. JenniferTx

    JenniferTx Well-Known Member

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    I can't let go of the mistress being involved in some way with the murders. I also am will to risk my own life that CW premeditated the murders and NK knew about what he was planning on murdering his family. Why would NK have been googling Amber Frey's book deal information that Amber wrote after the Scott Peterson trial? NK knew darn good and well what CW was planning on doing. If she didn't then why google how much money Amber Frey made from her book deal? NK is not going to be able to lie her way out of those google searches and also scoping out wedding dresses online. Has she never heard of FORENSIC COMPUTER ANALYSIS???? I think NK is just as dumb as CW. NK also had to have known that CW would have been caught because that is the reason for the Amber Frey book deal searches on google.
    In the Dr. Phil interview I'm pretty sure they all know that LE isn't done looking into what NK knows. I don't think we have heard that last of NK in the news. She will be back in the news and it won't be good for her.
     
  4. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Her Google searches were done after the fact, and not before the murders.

    I absolutely don’t believe she had any prior knowledge of what CW was going to do. The discovery document doesn’t provide any incriminating evidence to that effect.

    She lied, and she deleted text messages that had evidentiary value, but this crime was a personal one.

    She’s not an accessory to this.
     
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  5. JenniferTx

    JenniferTx Well-Known Member

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    The more I think about it CW didn't have to kill the girls even after he killed SW. He had a long 45 minute drive to think about what he was going to do to the girls. He would have been better off just dropping them off at a fire station or even on the side of the dang road for that matter. He could have left them even at home alone. My point is that he had 45 long minutes to change his mind about killing the girls. That proves to me he had premeditated these murders almost down to the last detail. If he would have just left the girls at home he might not be as talked about as he is now. I think he also wanted the fame that goes along with being a monsterous murderer. CW is seriously a scary being. I also don't believe that the thrive made him do this either. Don't thousands of people use that stuff? I haven't heard of thousands of people killing their families. Actually I had never even heard of "thrive" until this case.
     
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  6. Colorfuel

    Colorfuel Well-Known Member

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    Ha, that would have been nice. To be honest, I think what they did is kind of what sociopaths/psychopaths do, though. They leave things unresolved and unclear, and put the onus on you to interpret what they were doing and why. (I think it gives them more strategic leeway.) And isn't that why we're still here even after his extensive interviews, trying to think all this through? So I'm kind of glad they gave him some of his own medicine.
     
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    Mm, yeah, legal minds correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume that 45-minute drive is absolutely a way to show that he was not acting from a mindset of passion, but was being very methodical. IOW, we know he had 45 minutes to premeditate the first girl's murder, at an absolute minimum.

    Just dropping them off wouldn't have worked, unfortunately, for his plan. He actually did think he could get away with killing his family and moving on to a new life without them.
     
  8. yawningreyhound

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    Like maybe they could've described to him again the process of removing the girls from the oil. Leave those images in his mind for a while.
     
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    I had thought about him just dropping the girls off somewhere in the middle of nowhere. At least they would have had a chance to survive. Or he could have just left them home and told them he was taking their mom to the hospital. They were still young enough that he could have convinced them everything was alright and that mom was going away for a while. The fact is that he wanted them all gone.
     
  10. felix5

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    I had a couple of sociopathic type guys in my past. It was horrible and I know I’m lucky I got trashed financially and knocked about here and there only. I recovered.

    My sister though is the worst one of all my experiences. I believe without a shadow of a doubt she could kill (Jodi Arias made my hair stand on end - stikingly similar). My mother is her flying monkey.

    The terrifying thing is how many there are. They’re everywhere.

    I think the scary thing for me about Watts is that this is where they can take you when you don’t RUN.

    I recognize those dead eyes all too well.


     
  11. yawningreyhound

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    REading this, I'm still wondering if CW thought he'd be able to get home and tie up those loose ends somehow after the Cervi trip. Like the car going somewhere and the meds/purse/phone removed? He really did not make a backup plan to any of it. You'd think he would've figured out the doctor's appt, too; he did remember the girls started "school" that day. The doctor's appt and lack of contact with Nichole A seemed to be the keys to this quick Where is Shanann activity.
     
  12. yawningreyhound

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    And with or without murdering the girls, CW was toast; talk about a state of denial.
     
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    I'm thinking CW had a bit more rational plan than what had actually transpired (looks like a teenager plan). He is evil but an adult, not a 15 year old.

    So maybe he didn't care at all what time Shanann came home that morning. Totally unimportant to him whether she arrived on time or even a day late. Because he wasn't planning to kill her or the children that morning. His only plan for Monday was to prepare the oil site for 3.5 bodies to come later that week? Pre-dig a grave or open up the bottom section of the tank so even Shanann's body would be able to fit in? Maybe his plan was to empty out the tank? Did it take a long time for LEs to empty the tank? I don't remember.

    But he had to kill her that morning because Shanann was fiercely fighting back and taking actions to have her adulterous husband removed from her home. Maybe she even threw down the stairs some of his clothes which were found by the detective the same day. CW sure looked nervous when asked about it and lied that those were to be donated.

    If he gets kicked out, he would have less chance to kill them and even if he did, suspicions would fall squarely on him. So he had to kill her even though he wasn't fully prepared to do so. He really was in a rage and a panic mode. Hmm, maybe not in a rage, but in absolute fear that he wouldn't be able to carry out his plan.

    Not only he is evil, he is an unlucky man. He couldn't fully carry out his premeditated murder plan. This too, is Shanann's fault in his warped mind, no doubt.
     
  14. NuttMegg

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    about 1:40 in the tapes....he's complaining about getting crude oil on his clothes once in the past, and had a headache for 2 weeks...That's why he had extra clothes and boots...to change into in case he got dirty. :(:(:mad:
     
  15. scdiv

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    I know! But then he claimed that SW took the girls on a playdate? On the first day of school? He put no thought into his cover stories. But I honestly don't think he had any idea that anyone would even notice that quickly that they were "missing."
     
  16. Sassafrass

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    Good point. Anyone who's done a dance with a narcissist (and isn't one themselves) knows that *they don't function like other people* (same for any sociopath, I suppose). Their whole orientation is so backward and inside-out from how basically good people raised by good people were taught. I have found it is basically impossible to be too cynical about what they will do to get what they want.
     
  17. ScHoLaR oF STuFF

    ScHoLaR oF STuFF New Member

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    oh, thankyou! :) i very much appreciated your pointing this out.
    i'd listened to the five part confession tapes but missed the opening..
    i went into them with a comment from shannon family lawyer on Dr. phils friday episode mentioning the latest interview confessions were perhaps part of an investigation that's going on....

    the lawyer's comments are here @26:14
    link below as its not embeddable media...
    Exclusive: Chris Watts’ Full Confession. His Daughter’s Final Words
     
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  18. DaisyKenny

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    IMO he left her purse, phone, meds, etc at the house because he was planning to put them in her Lexus and abandon it later that day. Even though he probably knew about the truck gps, he thought they wouldn't look at his worksite once the abandoned car was located.
    Of course, they still would have. Frank Rzucek even said to Dr Phil that NOT ONCE in the 15 months that he and Sandy lived at their house did CW back his truck up like that before work.
     
  19. human

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    So she would be happy to srick with a guy who is willing to murder his family?
     
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  20. DaisyKenny

    DaisyKenny Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for posting this. It really explains a lot.
     
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