Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #38

[Taskforce88]

A 43-year-old German prisoner who travelled around Portugal in a camper van is now the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

New suspect identified in Madeleine McCann case

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[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

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[Mex]

My point was that he should have been caught before it got to this, with a string of rapes (allegedly)

The MM case was at least heavily resourced. But as we have seen in the UK (e.g Libby Squire) failure to investigate lower level sex offending can leave offenders on the street to inevitably escalate.

Those criticising PJ for lack of resource on the rapes, could well direct the same criticisms at home - the record in the UK is frankly shocking.

Initially the MM case was not resourced at all with only her parents raising money to pay for private detectives to continue to look for her. That lack of public resourcing continued from the archiving in 2008 until SY opened the MM case in 2013 during which time a lot of water passed under the bridge.

Going back to being wise after the event. I think that the problem was that the police were not wise before or during and missed the point throughout to the extent of bypassing what evidence there was.

Apparently the existing files contained the information which allowed the reopening of the MM case. The significance of which had been missed and not utilised to advantage at the time.

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Portuguese police said yesterday that their own review team had been working since March 2011 to reassess files from the original investigation and this process had uncovered new leads. A well-placed source told the Mail they could be ‘highly significant’.
Authorities have put a secrecy order on the new material, banning it from being made public, but Portuguese law states that unsolved cases can be reopened only when there is strong new evidence.
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The British police also used evidence from the original files in their inquiry which resulted in evidence which had been there from the start now being used to advantage.


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Earlier this month Scotland Yard spoke of a possible breakthrough after it emerged that officers were analysing data from the phone records of people who were in Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished.
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So the lack of resources did not hamper the gathering of evidence there seems to have been plenty around to enable two separate inquiries to make use of it.

Working from it to make a case seems to have been the problem when the initial tack followed was the wrong one entirely.

Police hunting paedophiles who 'may have snatched Madeleine McCann'

Portuguese police are searching for a gang of five paedophiles they believe may have snatched missing youngster of Madeleine McCann in Portugal in 2007.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Okapi]

Initially the MM case was not resourced at all with only her parents raising money to pay for private detectives to continue to look for her. That lack of public resourcing continued from the archiving in 2008 until SY opened the MM case in 2013 during which time a lot of water passed under the bridge.

Going back to being wise after the event. I think that the problem was that the police were not wise before or during and missed the point throughout to the extent of bypassing what evidence there was.

Apparently the existing files contained the information which allowed the reopening of the MM case. The significance of which had been missed and not utilised to advantage at the time.

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Portuguese police said yesterday that their own review team had been working since March 2011 to reassess files from the original investigation and this process had uncovered new leads. A well-placed source told the Mail they could be ‘highly significant’.
Authorities have put a secrecy order on the new material, banning it from being made public, but Portuguese law states that unsolved cases can be reopened only when there is strong new evidence.
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The British police also used evidence from the original files in their inquiry which resulted in evidence which had been there from the start now being used to advantage.


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Earlier this month Scotland Yard spoke of a possible breakthrough after it emerged that officers were analysing data from the phone records of people who were in Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished.
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So the lack of resources did not hamper the gathering of evidence there seems to have been plenty around to enable two separate inquiries to make use of it.

Working from it to make a case seems to have been the problem when the initial tack followed was the wrong one entirely.

Police hunting paedophiles who 'may have snatched Madeleine McCann'

Portuguese police are searching for a gang of five paedophiles they believe may have snatched missing youngster of Madeleine McCann in Portugal in 2007.

www.dailymail.co.uk

How sad that I thought of your post, Mex, when I read this. The more things change and all that.

‘A Portuguese police investigation into the disappearance of an Irishwoman has been so inefficient according to her family that they turned to a private investigator for help.’

Missing for three years, and a battle to secure any meaningful assistance from the local police.

Questions Still Remain As Irishwoman Is Now Missing In Portugal For Three Years

Jean Tighe, 38, walked out of her hostel in Portugal with an unknown man on July 13, 2020, and vanished without a trace.

extra.ie

 

[Dave55]

The article posted by Okapi and other articles say has been, past tense, so no longer under witness protection, imo it's related to what is not happening with the five charges CB was charged with and have now been dropped.Do the German Judiciary shut down at the end of the month for all of August, if correct time is ticking to get jurisdiction sorted until summer recess.

Of course the public have a right to know what happens in trials (a right to know everything the jury hears anyway). We do have a stake in this imo

I think we

What all these cases illustrate to me, is how badly police forces are messing up on dealing with sex crimes, domestic abuse etc which can escalate to murder.

There is a heavy "people in glasshouses ..." aspect to this, especially as regards The Met, a force that is so corrupt and inept, with sex offenders within it's own ranks - that politicians have called for root and branch reform at a minimum, if not it's complete replacement.

it seems clear that CB operated as a sex predator in the Algarve over multiple years, if not Germany as well, unless we think he only does his breaking and entering / rapes while in Portugal

He never would have been caught, had he not been ratted out. But unfortunately that is all to common in the UK, US etc

I was reading about a guy who did a murder in the US, who would have been caught sooner, only they never processed the rape kit from his first rape ... Sigh

Perhaps he did all these crimes in portugal because he knew he could get away with them in Portugal...but not so much in germany

 

[Davieson]

Perhaps its easier to commit crimes in a holiday area with a transient population of 'foreigners', who are perhaps less likely to report these crimes, particularly if they are near the end of their holiday.

 

[Mex]

Perhaps its easier to commit crimes in a holiday area with a transient population of 'foreigners', who are perhaps less likely to report these crimes, particularly if they are near the end of their holiday.

I think the crimes would be reported if for nothing more than insurance purposes.

 

[RichardKimble]

Perhaps its easier to commit crimes in a holiday area with a transient population of 'foreigners', who are perhaps less likely to report these crimes, particularly if they are near the end of their holiday.

Job to get home without the alleged passports HB saw.

 

[Mex]

Job to get home without the alleged passports HB saw.

Excellent point.
Advances in technology probably makes passports a less lucrative trade now but at the time it could have been difficult to note a pattern of thefts. If there even was one. The Algarve is a very popular holiday venue which plays host to many nationalities.

Don't you think if there had been no passport that would have flagged up immediate suspicion in investigators though?

 

[Lilly b]

Perhaps its easier to commit crimes in a holiday area with a transient population of 'foreigners', who are perhaps less likely to report these crimes, particularly if they are near the end of their holiday.

I agree, would also explain in more depth, that if tourist gets robbed, then they report it for insurance purposes, and so the pj don't really need look to much in depth, as , oh well it's a watch, it's a camera, whatever, then replaced by the insurance company. Passport, you then get help to replace it and so forth, and in effect holiday destinations are a great for these crimes and many others. Thousands and thousands visit Portugal every month of every year

 

[G-Unit]

I agree, would also explain in more depth, that if tourist gets robbed, then they report it for insurance purposes, and so the pj don't really need look to much in depth, as , oh well it's a watch, it's a camera, whatever, then replaced by the insurance company. Passport, you then get help to replace it and so forth, and in effect holiday destinations are a great for these crimes and many others. Thousands and thousands visit Portugal every month of every year

Petty crimes such as theft may not have been reported to the PJ imo. I would think they would be dealt with by the GNR at the time we're discussing.

 

[mrjitty]

Initially the MM case was not resourced at all with only her parents raising money to pay for private detectives to continue to look for her. That lack of public resourcing continued from the archiving in 2008 until SY opened the MM case in 2013 during which time a lot of water passed under the bridge.

RSBM

This is completely untrue. Portugal invested huge resources for months following the disappearance.

The UK also contributed specialist resources, including the case review in the summer.

 

[mrjitty]

I agree, would also explain in more depth, that if tourist gets robbed, then they report it for insurance purposes, and so the pj don't really need look to much in depth, as , oh well it's a watch, it's a camera, whatever, then replaced by the insurance company. Passport, you then get help to replace it and so forth, and in effect holiday destinations are a great for these crimes and many others. Thousands and thousands visit Portugal every month of every year

I don't know about you, but my hometown has a huge number of break ins ever week, and the normal police mostly just file the paperwork and that's it. When I lived in London at that time burglary was a fact of life. No one investigates it.

And of course holiday apartments are an easy target in some respects.

CB seems to have been a career criminal, and I suspect he committed his crimes where ever he was based, including in Germany.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

RSBM

This is completely untrue. Portugal invested huge resources for months following the disappearance.

The UK also contributed specialist resources, including the case review in the summer.

The most expensive investigation in Portugal’s history.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I don't know about you, but my hometown has a huge number of break ins ever week, and the normal police mostly just file the paperwork and that's it. When I lived in London at that time burglary was a fact of life. No one investigates it.

And of course holiday apartments are an easy target in some respects.

CB seems to have been a career criminal, and I suspect he committed his crimes where ever he was based, including in Germany.

He doesn’t have a record for it in Germany.

 

[G-Unit]

He doesn’t have a record for it in Germany.

Isn't his only record for theft in Portugal for stealing diesel?

 

[mrjitty]

He doesn’t have a record for it in Germany.

Nor portugal?

The allegation he is a career burglar, including of OC, is from the media - we have no idea how accurate or reliable that claim is.

 

[Mex]

Petty crimes such as theft may not have been reported to the PJ imo. I would think they would be dealt with by the GNR at the time we're discussing.

There is no doubt that both in Britain and those countries on the continent where the BBC Crimewatch programme had been broadcast the response was said to have been unprecedented.

But I think it hinges on what is classified as petty as opposed to serious crime which may have escalated from incidents being ignored.
Me - I would consider it to be serious to waken up and be confronted with strange man in my bedroom.

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‘Significantly, there were lots of calls from British people who were in Praia da Luz around the time of MM’s disappearance who had never previously spoken to the Met, so there’s lots of information coming through there,’ he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.
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The suspect may have been in the villa or looking around for some time before committing the offences or being disturbed, either by a parent coming in or the child waking up, officers said.
He remained calm even when disturbed, they added.
The incidents had previously been discounted by Portuguese investigators because they were spread over a wide geographical area and there had been no apparent attempts at abduction.
Madeleine McCann Crimewatch: 'Unprecedented' response to police appeal | Metro News


"These offences are very serious and no one has been charged in connection with them. We also need to eliminate this man from our inquiries and ascertain whether these offences are linked to Madeleine's disappearance," he said. remained calm even when disturbed,

"If you have been a victim of a similar crime please come forward even if you reported the incident to police in Portugal, or anywhere else, please do not assume we have been made aware of it."
Madeleine McCann police seek intruder who attacked girls at holiday homes | Madeleine McCann | The Guardian

From the above Guardian link it was strenuously denied that crimes had been ignored. My opinion on that is that the DCI would have worded his appeal differently had that been so.