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This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”


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Moscow ID Police Departement Facebook page

City of Moscow re King Street Homicide

Detectives are looking to develop context for the events and people involved in the four murders at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders:

 
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MOO on the 911 call, not that it matters much to the crime, is that a roommate either saw one of the victim’s room’s door open or simply tried to go into the room, but the door wouldn’t open all the way. They realized it was a person blocking the door and they assumed this person had passed out. I think the “friends called” was possibly a family member who lived across the street to come over to help. Once they realized the door wouldn’t open more and the person wasn’t waking up they called 911 about an ‘unconscious person.’ I don’t know if a 911 operator would stay on the line and ask them to force the door open to render aid or not, but if they did and they saw the crime scene, the call probably got distressing to say the least. Obviously MOO.

Edit: clarity
 
In the last thread, @rahod1 put up this post.

Here is a little more info about why the police are looking at similarities between the two cases .......


"Both unsolved cases involved a suspect armed with a knife breaking into a home at around 3am and attacking victims while they slept in their beds.

Both murders took place on the 13th of the month.

Also in both cases, other people were home at the time of the killings and were left unharmed."

Mother of murdered Oregon man speaks out after police reveal possible link to Idaho student slayings
 
MOO on the 911 call, not that it matters much to the crime, is that a roommate either saw one of the victim’s room’s door open or simply tried to go into the room, but the door wouldn’t open all the way. They realized it was a person blocking the door and they assumed this person had passed out. I think the “friends called” was possibly a family member who lived across the street to come over to help. This family member probably brought someone with him to help. Once they realized the door wouldn’t open more and the person wasn’t waking up they called 911 about an ‘unconscious person.’ I don’t know if a 911 operator would stay on the line and ask them to force the door open to render aid or not, but if they did and they saw the crime scene, the call probably got distressing to say the least. Obviously MOO.

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How could a person have been blocking the door if the killer was the last one out? Unless they were clinging to life, crawling towards the door? Doesn't make sense.
 
I don't think that's accurate. Although it varies a bit by state, obvious death can be determined by a number of responders. Here's some reference from Spokane county WA:


I wasn't able to quickly find Idaho rules, but obvious things like decapitation, rigor mortis, algor mortis, palor mortis, stage of decomposition, insect activity, etc. do not require EMT to treat. The death certificate and determining manner of death is left up to the coroner, but when LE showed up to the murders, they were able to determine that the victims were dead. They were not able to determine manner and time of death, but that's a whole other issue.
Quoting and responding to Sister Golden Hair from previous thread.

Yes, I found that doccument as well. Notice it does not authorize LEOs to declare death. But that only applies to one county in Washington.

I am having a hard time reconciling that the roommates/friends did not think death was obvious but the cop did. Sure, the cop is trained and they are (presumably) not. But if you read the obvious signs of death they are pretty obvious. (I posted an example above.)

And I'm not trying to beat a dead horse on this. It could be important because it could mean the person the roommates called about was not as savagely attacked as the others. Here's a scenario I can imagine:

Roommates wake up and find Xana or Ethan laying on the floor. The try to rouse then call friends then the friend call 911. Cops arrive first and observe lividity and determine death then clear the house and find the others and observe lividity in all four. The students may have seen the lividity and not known what it was.

Now, the reason this would be important is because it would indicate that that victim's injuries may not have been as severe indicating he/she was not a target but rather just got in the way.
 
How could a person have been blocking the door if the killer was the last one out? Unless they were clinging to life, crawling towards the door? Doesn't make sense.
It’s awful to even type this, but in that scenario, they were most likely crawling towards the door. Not all deaths are instant, bleeding out can be slow. :(
 
If you're able to crawl towards the door, why not just reach for your cell phone? Most likely at arms length from your bed anyway.
I mean there’s a million different scenarios, but maybe during a struggle the victim ended up on the floor and the door was closer than the phone. Or maybe there was no attempt to get out and the struggle ended there and then on the floor. I just don’t see another scenario where one of these victims was mistaken as an unconscious person. Why would the killer spend time and possibly spread more DNA locking doors behind them? If they were asleep in bed, woke up during the attack, fought back and ended up on the floor, it wouldn’t be inconceivable that their body was blocking a door from fully opening.

Edit to add: walking out a door and screaming for help to one of the 4, or possibly more, people also sleeping in the house is a lot less involved than grabbing a phone in the dark, unlocking the phone, opening up the phone app, dialing the number. IMHO.
 
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I mean there’s a million different scenarios, but maybe during a struggle the victim ended up on the floor and the door was closer than the phone. Or maybe there was no attempt to get out and the struggle ended there and then on the floor. I just don’t see another scenario where one of these victims was mistaken as an unconscious person. Why would the killer spend time and possibly spread more DNA locking doors behind them? If they were asleep in bed, woke up during the attack, fought back and ended up on the floor, it wouldn’t be inconceivable that their body was blocking a door from fully opening.
It's not inconceivable, but MOO, it's much more likely that the killer wore gloves and locked the door on the way out. No risk of spreading DNA.
 
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