Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #102

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  1. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

    On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
    The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below


    HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19
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    HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
    https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

    Here is the old audio in a loop:

    http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

    FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.


    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.


    Pictures of Abby and Libby

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    DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.


    PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!

    Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

    4) If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.
     
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  2. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    There is a lot to discuss in the Delphi case with all the very big developments.

    We have a very strong rule on Websleuths. Do not ask someone to PM you on a discussion thread. Why? You saw what happens on this thread. The thread was almost taken over by people saying "PM ME PM ME". We couldn't keep up with removing the posts.
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    April 22 Press Conference transcript:

    <news announcer>
    Doug Carter and he has taken the stand. We'll take a listen in.

    <audio cuts in to Superintendent Carter>
    ... the Delphi community how grateful I am you inspire people you don't even understand and you don't even understand why. Information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours of extraordinary investigative efforts by Delphi Carroll County, the FBI, the Indiana State Police and countless other agencies. This community surrounded us some twenty six months ago and you did everything you could to support us but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls. Gosh I'll never forget it. After you hear what we're going to release today I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will.

    We're seeking the public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland highway between the hours of noon to 5:00 on February 14th 2017. If you were parked there or know who was parked there please contact the officers at the command post at the Delphi city building.

    We are releasing additional portions of the audio recorded from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is not two different people speaking. Please listen to it very, very carefully. We are also releasing video recovered from Libby's phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows a suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video watch the watch the person's mannerisms as they walk. Watch the mannerisms as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know? Remember he is walking on a former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties.

    During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary as of today. The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch which you will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. We also believe this person is from Delphi. Currently or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis or works here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40 but might appear younger than its true age.

    Directly to the killer who may be in this room. We believe you are hiding in plain sight. For more than two years you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy but we have. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

    The question to you: what will those closest to you think of they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls, two children? Only a coward would do such a thing.

    We are confident that you have told someone what you have done or at the very least they know because how different you are since the murders. We try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to to two chil to two children. I recently watched a movie called The Shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil, about death and about eternity. To the murderer I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left and I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not, is not what they are experiencing today.

    The family. I hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be asking that there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and I hope you understand why. The family found out about this about this information this morning. I just want the family to know that when I take my last breath on this earth I'll be thinking of them. There's going to be a tremendous amount of <unintelligble> I know that. I know that. Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning. That I can tell you on behalf of the sheriff and the police chief so many other partners that have stood with us over this period of time that we will not stop.

    -- Other officer ..
    I just unveiled the person that we believe responsible for the murder of these two little girls so I invite media to take a look at that now. Kim.

    We're also going to show you a video not previously released that superintendent spoke to and also the audio that's additional to what's been previously released. It's only a slight change in it. So give Sergeant Riley just a second as he gets that up and ready.
    <plays audio>
    Stand by for the video please. There is no sound of the video.
    <plays video> As Superintendent Carter mentioned. He is on the railway bridge. You have to take different steps to get to it. This information later this afternoon will be on the state police website. For the community that's here we have 100 copies of the news release. If you put in that URL you'll be able to get to that site to play it. And we also have that same release for you in the media and the rest of the state we'll get that released in about 15 minutes. So we appreciate those of you that came here. This concludes our announcement. Thank you for your time patience and courtesy.
    <end>

     
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    Admin note: Be sure to read the parameters for posting laid out in post #1 and 2 by Tricia.

    Pay particular attention to this quote from Tricia:

    DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

    Members who insist on breaking our rules by continually casting suspicion on people who have not been designated as suspects or POIs have and will be placed on thread reply bans.


     
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    This thread is dedicated to discussing details of Abby's and Libby's case. Please keep details related to the Nicole Bowen case in that dedicated thread. It gets confusing to read a post, wonder what the heck it is about, and then realize it pertains to another case/thread.

    It's okay to make mild reference (as in "reminds me of ... in NB's case"), but to start discussing that case in more detail takes this thread off topic.
     
  8. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Please continue the discussion.
    On Good Morning America in a few hours, John Douglas will be a guest and he will be talking about Delphi.
     
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    ...still waiting for that "one tip" that will solve this case. And if it doesn't come in, they'll start all over. "
    so they're pleading for help and in the meantime, residents have to
    live, knowing he walks amongst them.
     
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    Thank you very much for this important update @Tricia so Mr. Douglas and Superintendent Carter are going to be on. I hope it is posted on YouTube or the GMA website. Any updates posted here will be greatly and very much appreciated.
     
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    GMA just announced the "Top Cop" on case will appear this morning and share what's going on in case.
     
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    I am hoping we will get more than a rehash of the same info or at least a clear statement without having to correct things in the following days because of the way it was worded.

    For example it seems like so many people got stuck on the mistaken date of the car parked and they just can't understand that Carter was emotional and said the 14th by mistake. That is mostly on other sites but occasionally it comes up here and 50 people correct them.
     
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    Starting now.

    ETA: Over 3000 tips since PC.

    Believes someone knows, but is afraid. "One tip away."
     
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    Nothing new...Douglas said they should have released info sooner. moo

    ETA: He also said the age range was too large. He prefers to start in the mid-20's and add or subtract as indicated by the crime.

    ETA: Did have some good screen time for the area (creek especially) and the new sketch.
     
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    On GMA John Douglas stated the FBI gave too big of an age range of 18-40.

    Carter just reiterated they are one tip away.
     
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    Supt. Carter pretty much repeated what we all know by now.
    "one tip away from success" in solving case.
    "he was probably at pc and watching it."
    "someone needs to tell us who this is, they're afraid to"
    "3,000 tips since last PC"
    Douglas, ex FBI profiler was somewhat critical of info released so far. Says he would have released pre and post offense behavior
    to better describe perp.
    Says they know perp is in his "comfort zone" doing this around
    Delphi.
    Perp likely mid 20's to maybe late 20's, but needs manner of death to better pinpoint.
     
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    Generally disappointing, imho.

    ETA: At least it got some more publicity for the case and the new sketch. Think I'm just feeling pessimistic.
     
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    Seems to me LE is going to have to be more specific and describe
    typical actions perp may have taken since the crime.
    Most ordinary people can not imagine what they're talking about.
    Come out and say "More alcohol abuse or drug abuse, or violent
    temper, or kicking the cat or sleeping all day, etc.
    Maybe they have said this and I missed it. And we don't even know if this was a violent , bloody act. So are we looking for a violent offender? I know they have to limit what they release but they're
    begging for help from the public and the public needs more help, imo.
     
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