Discussion in 'Holly Bobo' started by bessie, Oct 14, 2011.
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My opinions only, no facts here:
I have followed this case closely and I feel that the latest press releases are like Autumn leaves falling from the trees, further obscuring the ground searches and befuddling my fellow sleuths. The most recent timeline is not of investigative use, UNLESS the authorities verify it. Have the police verified this timeline? But there are two critical questions that I wish to ask of my buddies here: were the tracking dogs employed the same day that Holly disappeared? Is there any OFFICIAL report as to whether the dogs tracked scent into the woods or stopped short of the woods?
I ask this so as to clear up some misconceptions. Dogs can track much more effectively in the woods than in a city. The more undergrowth, the better. I could care less if neighbors are tramping around- even a mediocre dog could track a single scent through that. What and when the dogs did and smelled are key to this case. Does anybody have facts regarding this?
According to Mark Fuhrman , the dogs did not track her to the woods. It is said he spoke with an LE dispatcher type person and she relayed that information.
This was an interview done in the first few days. Mark makes a good point. You need to rewind to the day before. Who saw her that morning and the night before. Dana says he spoke to her through a closed bdrm door and she told him she wanted money which he offered. He said he left it for her.
Karen says she made her lunch and put Holly's breakfast in the microwave and then left for work.
Karen said she saw Holly sitting at the dining room table.
And Clint saw her with camo guy at 7:50 or shortly thereafter.
Does the neighbour ever say it was a woman's scream? The latest article says he heard a scream coming from the Bobo home but I have to look back to see if he ever mentions it was a woman's scream. It could have been a guy (??)
Yeah, I noticed Karen filled in with seeing her at the dining room table. New information...for some reason, that isn't sitting right with me..just a gut feeling.
My mind is way too cynical to deal with this on an open thread.
Heck, I just heard he did go over to the Bobo house. What time was that? With all these people around, how the heck did the abductior get away with Holly?
It would have been easier for the abductor to pull his car into the carport and wait for Holly. Pick her up, throw her in his car and drive away. All this walking around on land and forests seems crazy.
Where was Clint's car? Was it in the stall or in the front of the house? He sees them kneeling, sitting in the carport. That would be the time I would have walked over to them to see what was going on. At 7:40 in the am, kneeling on the ground is highly unusual...but then again, I don't live in "Shoot first and ask questions later country".
The scream was never identified if it was female or male. Everyone assumed it was Holly because she's the one missing. Also, LE is focused to the area near the home and anyone hunting that day in the area could be a suspect.
I wonder if the neighbour heard more than a scream? Did he hear gunshots? Maybe it was never reported but LE must have this guy's statement. Is that why Karen panicked? Is that why her friend cried? Is that why the teacher knew what happened? Hearing a gunshot and a scream would make anyone think the worse.
If the dogs didn't pick up her scent then I have a huge problem with Clint's version of seeing them walk side by side into the woods. I'm already questioning the ridiculous timeline. There is no way all of what he says happened that morning took place in 10 minutes or less.
The friend spoke to Holly shortly after 7 am after Karen left. There are no other non family witnesses after the last phone call between Holly and her friend. I'm including Drew as family.
Yeah we don't know where Clint's car was parked. Does he have one?
If the "kidnapper" hurt/killed Holly in the garage and this was a stranger abduction, he would've left her there. Why would he take an injured or dead Holly into the woods? Makes no sense.
Question: n/t- are you a dog handler, trainer or LE K9 worker? TIA.
I didn't realize we had to be one to post an opinion. Are dog handlers the only ones allowed to post about dogs? I've followed cases where dogs were used. Scent dogs, tracking dogs, cadaver dogs and even psychic dogs. I don't have to be an expert to know what these dogs do, how they're trained.
BTW...in this case, I believe the dog (s) more than I believe Clint's version.
Maybe I'll ask a mod if an opinion can only be posted by a professional poster.
I think Oriah just asked the question- didn't draw any judgment or make any implications.
You made a valid statement-Oriah asked a valid question.
I think it is all good.
Thank you. IMO, it was a condescending question and not the first time I've been challenged. I've been challeged about SAR teams as well. I'll just skip and scroll from now on. Thanks :seeya:
No, you are misunderstanding I think. I actually wanted to know if you were. Opinions I believe are free to be posted by all as long as they are within TOS.
Misunderstandings happen with the written word all the time. let's get back on topic. Thanks all.
It was not intended as a condescending question, n/t.
I asked because I know how scent work works from a professional standpoint; and was wanting to clarify how the dog(s) used in Holly's case may have not picked up her scent if she was seen headed in a certain direction, under certain weather conditions, in the time frame, using a certain type of dog...etc.
Sorry if you were offended by my question. Again- not my intention.
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