Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #109

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  1. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

    On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
    The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below


    HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19
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    HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
    https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

    Here is the old audio in a loop:

    http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

    FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.


    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.


    Pictures of Abby and Libby

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  2. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    There is a lot to discuss in the Delphi case with all the very big developments.

    We have a very strong rule on Websleuths. Do not ask someone to PM you on a discussion thread. Why? You saw what happens on this thread. The thread was almost taken over by people saying "PM ME PM ME". We couldn't keep up with removing the posts.
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    dotr Well-Known Member

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    ISP: Delphi Homicide Investigation
    "On Monday, February 13th, at approximately 1:00 p.m., the two young girls were let off near the Monon High Bridge, an abandoned rail bridge over Deer Creek to walk around and hang out. They were to be picked up later in the afternoon, but did not show up there at the previously arranged time. Following an extensive search, at approximately 12:15 p.m. on February 14, 2017, the bodies of the two girls were found in a wooded area near the Delphi Historic Trail, approximately one-half mile upstream from the bridge.

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    Delphi homicide suspect
    On Wednesday, February 15th, law enforcement officers distributed a photograph of a person observed on the Delphi Historic Trail. The photograph appears to depict a white male wearing blue jeans, a blue coat/jacket, and a hoodie. During the course of the investigation, preliminary evidence has led investigators to believe the person, in the distributed photograph, is a suspect in the investigation of the homicides of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

    Additionally, investigators have released an updated voice recording and video of the suspect not previously released that was extracted from Liberty “Libby” German’s cell phone."

    LISTEN: Police release audio of Delphi, Ind. murder suspect
     
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    April 22 Press Conference transcript:

    <news announcer>
    Doug Carter and he has taken the stand. We'll take a listen in.

    <audio cuts in to Superintendent Carter>
    ... the Delphi community how grateful I am you inspire people you don't even understand and you don't even understand why. Information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours of extraordinary investigative efforts by Delphi Carroll County, the FBI, the Indiana State Police and countless other agencies. This community surrounded us some twenty six months ago and you did everything you could to support us but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls. Gosh I'll never forget it. After you hear what we're going to release today I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will.

    We're seeking the public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland highway between the hours of noon to 5:00 on February 14th 2017. If you were parked there or know who was parked there please contact the officers at the command post at the Delphi city building.

    We are releasing additional portions of the audio recorded from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is not two different people speaking. Please listen to it very, very carefully. We are also releasing video recovered from Libby's phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows a suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video watch the watch the person's mannerisms as they walk. Watch the mannerisms as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know? Remember he is walking on a former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties.

    During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary as of today. The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch which you will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. We also believe this person is from Delphi. Currently or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis or works here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40 but might appear younger than its true age.

    Directly to the killer who may be in this room. We believe you are hiding in plain sight. For more than two years you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy but we have. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

    The question to you: what will those closest to you think of they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls, two children? Only a coward would do such a thing.

    We are confident that you have told someone what you have done or at the very least they know because how different you are since the murders. We try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to to two chil to two children. I recently watched a movie called The Shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil, about death and about eternity. To the murderer I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left and I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not, is not what they are experiencing today.

    The family. I hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be asking that there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and I hope you understand why. The family found out about this about this information this morning. I just want the family to know that when I take my last breath on this earth I'll be thinking of them. There's going to be a tremendous amount of <unintelligble> I know that. I know that. Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning. That I can tell you on behalf of the sheriff and the police chief so many other partners that have stood with us over this period of time that we will not stop.

    -- Other officer ..
    I just unveiled the person that we believe responsible for the murder of these two little girls so I invite media to take a look at that now. Kim.

    We're also going to show you a video not previously released that superintendent spoke to and also the audio that's additional to what's been previously released. It's only a slight change in it. So give Sergeant Riley just a second as he gets that up and ready.
    <plays audio>
    Stand by for the video please. There is no sound of the video.
    <plays video> As Superintendent Carter mentioned. He is on the railway bridge. You have to take different steps to get to it. This information later this afternoon will be on the state police website. For the community that's here we have 100 copies of the news release. If you put in that URL you'll be able to get to that site to play it. And we also have that same release for you in the media and the rest of the state we'll get that released in about 15 minutes. So we appreciate those of you that came here. This concludes our announcement. Thank you for your time patience and courtesy.
    <end>

     
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    This thread is dedicated to discussing details of Abby's and Libby's case.

    Please keep details related to other cases in their own dedicated thread. It gets confusing to read a post, wonder what the heck it is about, and then realize it pertains to another case entirely.

     
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    Indiana authorities hope slain girl's audio recording will lead to her killer
    "This young lady is a hero, there’s no doubt,” said Indiana State Police Sgt. Tony Slocum. “To have enough presence of mind to activate that video system on her cellphone, to record what we believe is criminal behavior that’s about to occur.”


    If BG immediately engaged the girls at the end of the bridge and this was captured on the recording, as in Libby took the video and then stuck the phone in her clothing, still recording, than I don't think Slocum would have said "what we believe..." IMO, that indicates there is a gap (however long or short) between the visual of him, and the following:

    Delphi: Officials say Internet rumors can hurt investigation
    She also captured a man’s voice saying, “down the hill” during what police call “criminal activity.”

    This indicates to me that the girls, at this point, were NOT with BG voluntarily. They weren't showing, or following him on an alternate route, or going to see something with him, etc, when he said, "down the hill." This is JMO, of course. And the reason I question the location of "down the hill," and don't think it is at the south end of the bridge, is because of what I said in the first paragraph about the possible gap between video and audio. Maybe the criminal behavior about to occur is:

    Stalking
    The term “stalking” means engaging in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that would cause a reasonable person to fear for his or her safety or the safety of others or suffer substantial emotional distress.

    This is the part that I'm not sure about, and if it occurred, it could have been on the bridge (maybe he even tried to converse with them the entire walk back across- thus no calling for help), or he just sort of hung close by - unnerving, but non-threatening, or he went back first and blocked their path, or he watched them from the bridge, whatever. However it happened, if he was acting strangely towards them, and/or made them feel he had intentions to engage them, IMO, that would be considered stalking, and criminal behavior.


    And this may have already been posted during the Amber Alert discussion, but again, this indicates, to me, that the girls were killed quickly, and without having been transported anywhere, or moved. JMO

    ISP: Delphi Amber Alert wouldn't have helped
    "Even if we would've put an Amber Alert out, it would not have done this case any good," Riley said. "In the short period of time, and the location that the bodies were found, it would not have helped us in finding any leads at all."

     
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    This is Chapter 6 of the recently approved Renner interviews.
    This one is with Anna and is the first of two interviews with her.
    One of the things she briefly states is that she found out that Abby had Facebook and mentions a boy from another school. After all that has been discussed, this does show a possible online contact with at least one of the girls. This opens up the possibility of how available was Abby's Facebook at that time? Anna also mentions she was blocked from Abbey's Facebook too, to stop her finding out.
    Wonder what the chances are that this could have been the opening for an online predator to make contact, in addition to Libby's SC, Kik and musically apps ?
     
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    Hi everyone, please continue the discussion here and remember to link your sources. Thank you!
     
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    Hi everyone, the James Renner interviews have been approved by Tricia for discussion in this case. You may post them here and in the media thread for this case.
     
  14. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    This is *exactly* what I think happened.
    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
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    Thread 109, not good to still be where it began!
     
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    Dreamnt last night that a POI had been named. Very vivid, but very brief. I saw the first sentence and a half....and then faded to the next thing. So vivid, though, that I had to check here to confirm it was just a dream.

    Wouldn't it be nice, though?
     
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    Yes it would. In your dream, was it anyone we know?
     
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    Hmmm....maybe a Sixth Sense?

    It would be an answer to many people's prayers.
     
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    i truly believe its closer than we think.
    LE have never implied that the Delphi community are in danger or at risk of a serial killer madman out there.
    this person had to have a good feel for the county and the hidden little adventure ground.
    there is video and audio. its gotta be valuable.
    just can't see the clues as to whether LE know the girls were targeted or happened upon him by chance.

    moo
     
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