Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #179

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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Case map by skibaboo updated with grayhuze crime flow video

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DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

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Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

- Members are allowed to discuss Richard Allen's voice as heard on the Gray Hughes podcast. Members may NOT link directly to RA's wife’s social media accounts.

- Speculation about RA’s possible involvement in other cases belongs in the OTHER CASES thread.

- Speculation that is not based on known fact is not allowed.

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[Tricia]

Mod Note:
For general JBC II discussions please use his thread. In Abby & Libby’s thread, JBC II should only be discussed in the context of a possible connection to Abby & Libby’s case.
Thanks Everyone!

JBC II Thread:
IN - James Chadwell II, 42, arrested after girl 9, found in his home, Lafayette, 19 Apr 2021 #3

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

Also, the presumption of innocence is part and parcel of the judicial process. It does not apply to the general public who are entitled to express their opinion. Members are not here to be lectured or chastised by others for expressing their personal opinions. If you have an issue, use the Report feature and let Mods or Admins determine what is or is not okay to post.

Thanks.

Sillybilly
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[Sillybilly]

Please read the above Opening Posts and continue discussion here.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Justice for Libby and Abby

 

[layer]

Justice for Libby and Abby
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One photo can make you smile and weep, almost simultaneously.

 

[justtrish]

@layer I read your post in the end of the last thread and wanted to reply.

I think most all of us wish we understood something about this case. 2 girls walking on a trail in the middle of the day should be safe from predators.

I am not sure I ever understand things in the cases I follow, even once the trial is over. What my husband likes to remind me of is I will not understand and I shouldn't understand because I am not like the killer. I don't think like they do or act like they do. I shouldn't be able to understand why or how or any of it because if I encounted 2 girls on a bridge I would say hello and walk along. Most of us I don't think will understand this.

If it turns out to be RA who went to the trail that day with a gun and a knife and abducted and brutally murdered the girls, we will not understand it. There is no explanation that makes any sense to those of us who are in our right minds and who are law abiding citizens.

If it turns out to be some cult who for some reason decided to take 2 girls from a trail in broad daylight to do some sacrifice ritual thing in the woods, it won't make any sense.

It won't make sense that nobody heard them or that this couldn't be prevented somehow.

We know these things happen and we know evil exists, but I'm not sure we will ever really understand why. Good people shouldn't be harmed by bad people, but they are. Sometimes for nothing more than an odd fantasy, road rage, the way someone looked at the person, or for $5 in someone's wallet. It is senseless and I hope I NEVER understand it.

 

[sunshineray]

To comment on those 3 ex parte filings.

Just the meer fact that these ex parte communications were sent to the judge (I'm suspicious who, if anyone, entreated these writers) and it looks like collectively they were almost meant as a trap to get her disqualified? In reading the ABA's words...

"(A) A judge shall not initiate, permit, or consider ex parte communications, or consider other communications made to the judge outside the presence of the parties or their lawyers, concerning a pending* or impending matter,* except as follows:

(1) When circumstances require it, ex parte communication for scheduling, administrative, or emergency purposes, which does not address substantive matters, is permitted, provided:

(a) the judge reasonably believes that no party will gain a procedural, substantive, or tactical advantage as a result of the ex parte communication; and

(b) the judge makes provision promptly to notify all other parties of the substance of the ex parte communication, and gives the parties an opportunity to respond."

(...) There is more to read about this here...

Rule 2.9: Ex Parte Communications

A judge shall not initiate, permit, or consider ex parte communications, or consider other communications made to the judge outside the presence of the parties or their lawyers, concerning a pending* or impending matter,* except as follows:

www.americanbar.org

Now they're filed for the public to see and contain a lot of the things the defense is under gag order not to talk about...coincidence? I think not. AJMO

 

[Boxer]

MOO nothing really changes that they have RA dead to rights, not police incompetence nor defense cupidity.

 

[vinayd]

Same I applauded the first letter but I smell a template. MOO

 

[arielilane]

@NewsyBarbara

Some #Delphi trial news: jury selection expected to last 3 days in Allen Co., Opening Statements expected 5/17 in Carroll Co. Trial will be in session on Saturdays. Jury to be sequestered. Cameras are unlikely to be allowed.



10:10 AM · Mar 29, 2024

 

[arielilane]

@NewsyBarbara

So far Judge Gull has not allowed media to have any electronic items in the courthouse for any hearings. She will issue a decorum order for the trial and that should spell out what she's allowing and not allowing.


10:31 AM · Mar 29, 2024

 

[arielilane]

INDIANAPOLIS — 13News has learned more information about jury selection and logistics for the upcoming Delphi murders trial.

Special judge Frances Gull told 13News she expects jury selection to take approximately three days when the trial for defendant Richard Allen begins in Fort Wayne on May 13. She said the jury would then be sworn in on the fourth day, with opening statements beginning by Day 5. That means the jury could start hearing testimony on Friday, May 17.

After jury selection, the actual trial phase of the proceedings will take place at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Gull confirmed Allen’s trial will take place six days a week — Monday through Saturday — if there are no religious objections from any of the jurors.


If interested, more at link...

More logistics released about upcoming Delphi murders trial

The jury will be chosen from among 600 people in what is widely considered to be one of the most high profile murder trials in Indiana history.

www.wthr.com

Updated: 8:50 AM EDT March 29, 2024

 

[BUF]

INDIANAPOLIS — 13News has learned more information about jury selection and logistics for the upcoming Delphi murders trial.

Special judge Frances Gull told 13News she expects jury selection to take approximately three days when the trial for defendant Richard Allen begins in Fort Wayne on May 13. She said the jury would then be sworn in on the fourth day, with opening statements beginning by Day 5. That means the jury could start hearing testimony on Friday, May 17.

After jury selection, the actual trial phase of the proceedings will take place at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Gull confirmed Allen’s trial will take place six days a week — Monday through Saturday — if there are no religious objections from any of the jurors.


If interested, more at link...

More logistics released about upcoming Delphi murders trial

The jury will be chosen from among 600 people in what is widely considered to be one of the most high profile murder trials in Indiana history.

www.wthr.com

Updated: 8:50 AM EDT March 29, 2024

Thanks for posting this. Lots of trial information in this article.

 

[Emma Peel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1773755649425371219

 

[Niner]

INDIANAPOLIS — 13News has learned more information about jury selection and logistics for the upcoming Delphi murders trial.

Special judge Frances Gull told 13News she expects jury selection to take approximately three days when the trial for defendant Richard Allen begins in Fort Wayne on May 13. She said the jury would then be sworn in on the fourth day, with opening statements beginning by Day 5. That means the jury could start hearing testimony on Friday, May 17.

After jury selection, the actual trial phase of the proceedings will take place at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Gull confirmed Allen’s trial will take place six days a week — Monday through Saturday — if there are no religious objections from any of the jurors.


If interested, more at link...

More logistics released about upcoming Delphi murders trial

The jury will be chosen from among 600 people in what is widely considered to be one of the most high profile murder trials in Indiana history.

www.wthr.com

Updated: 8:50 AM EDT March 29, 2024

Since I can not access this article - EU rules... what other interesting points are in there? I do see in the beginning of the article - it says jurors will be picked amount 600 people.

TIA if someone can give me info for my notes that might be important!

 

[BUF]

Since I can not access this article - EU rules... what other interesting points are in there? I do see in the beginning of the article - it says jurors will be picked amount 600 people.

TIA if someone can give me info for my notes that might be important!

Here you go @Niner ……

Special judge Frances Gull told 13News she expects jury selection to take approximately three days when the trial for defendant Richard Allen begins in Fort Wayne on May 13. She said the jury would then be sworn in on the fourth day, with opening statements beginning by Day 5. That means the jury could start hearing testimony on Friday, May 17.
…….
After jury selection, the actual trial phase of the proceedings will take place at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Gull confirmed Allen’s trial will take place six days a week — Monday through Saturday — if there are no religious objections from any of the jurors.
……
She said the jury will hear testimony from roughly 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. each day of the trial. The Carroll County Courthouse closes at noon on Wednesdays, but the judge plans to keep the trial going on Wednesday afternoons through the end of the day.

The judge has scheduled three weeks for the entire trial and expects it to be completed by May 31. So far, she has not approved any media requests for cameras in the courtroom.

The jury (including several alternates) will be from Allen County, and jurors will be transported 100 miles to Delphi for the trial.

They will be sequestered the entire time.
…….
Each juror will receive $80 per day for the first five days of the trial. After that, they’ll earn $90 per day for their service. Those rates are set by state law.

More logistics released about upcoming Delphi murders trial

The jury will be chosen from among 600 people in what is widely considered to be one of the most high profile murder trials in Indiana history.

www.wthr.com

 

[Niner]

Here you go @Niner ……

Special judge Frances Gull told 13News she expects jury selection to take approximately three days when the trial for defendant Richard Allen begins in Fort Wayne on May 13. She said the jury would then be sworn in on the fourth day, with opening statements beginning by Day 5. That means the jury could start hearing testimony on Friday, May 17.
…….
After jury selection, the actual trial phase of the proceedings will take place at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Gull confirmed Allen’s trial will take place six days a week — Monday through Saturday — if there are no religious objections from any of the jurors.
……
She said the jury will hear testimony from roughly 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. each day of the trial. The Carroll County Courthouse closes at noon on Wednesdays, but the judge plans to keep the trial going on Wednesday afternoons through the end of the day.

The judge has scheduled three weeks for the entire trial and expects it to be completed by May 31. So far, she has not approved any media requests for cameras in the courtroom.

The jury (including several alternates) will be from Allen County, and jurors will be transported 100 miles to Delphi for the trial.

They will be sequestered the entire time.
…….
Each juror will receive $80 per day for the first five days of the trial. After that, they’ll earn $90 per day for their service. Those rates are set by state law.

More logistics released about upcoming Delphi murders trial

The jury will be chosen from among 600 people in what is widely considered to be one of the most high profile murder trials in Indiana history.

www.wthr.com

Thanks!

 

[FromGermany1]

Will RA be dressed decently for the first time?
We'll hardly recognize him without his orange, half-open overalls. He can't even show his thin little arms, how unfavorable for him.
Do we have a court illustrator instead of cameras?